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  • do you think standard vinyl on pvc banner will last long?

    Posted by Gareth.Lewis on November 6, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    Hello all,

    I just have to do this – I have no other option. The customer wants a very, very light grey vinyl on his royal blue banner (h/duty from trounce – the closest colour to what he wanted, mini car’s ‘hyper blue’ was his guide colour)

    The lettering is humanist standard (not bold) and it is for a temporary(ish) menu on a glorified burger trailer. There will exclusively be lots of small text and the banner will spend all its time either pulled taught with bungees or laid flat in storage, at no point will it be rolled or folded up.

    Do you honestly think I’ll have much of a problem in the next 6/9/12 months with crinkling or curling of the vinyl?

    (Hexis suptac vinyl 8-10yr calendared 65 micron)

    All advice greatly welcomed.

    Gareth

    John Singh replied 16 years, 5 months ago 11 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Andy Gorman

    Member
    November 6, 2007 at 9:20 pm

    Worse thing that can happen is it peels and you replace it free of charge. Explain that the colour is only available in regular vinyl first.

    That said, I don’t think you’ll have a problem. I use mactac 8300 on temporary banners all the time and have done for years with only one failure and that was because he was rolling the banner up with the letters on the inside.

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    November 6, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    You shouldnt have too many short term problems really with a cast vinyl.
    I have used oracal 651 on a banner as it was the only colour available and it was stressed to the customer it wont last that long but they were happy as its only a temporary one anyway, its in my shop now rolled up waiting to be re lettered due to a change in wording and its not even peeling, its been on for 2 months now, and its been rolled and rolled with the lettering also on the inside.
    I would imagine cast vinyl will be fine for a while, but to be perfectly honest I couldnt tell you for certain as I only ever use banner vinyl which I know works.

  • Jill Marie Welsh

    Member
    November 6, 2007 at 9:30 pm

    …I don’t get it.
    I have put everything from cast to calendared on banners and even 1-Shot onto enamel receptive banners.
    I never ever have any adhesion woes. (knock on wood!)
    I think you’ll be just fine.
    Love…..Jill

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    November 6, 2007 at 9:36 pm

    am i missing anything but couldnt just print the banner?

  • Gareth.Lewis

    Member
    November 6, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    Ian,

    I have no printer, vinyl cutting only.

    Thanks all, I’m gonna do it and hope!

    T’ra!

  • Adrian Yeo

    Member
    November 7, 2007 at 7:55 am

    I had a banner for years that was Mactac8300 too, didn’t get any problems with that …… till I rolled it up for storage 🙄 Other than that all was fine.

  • David Glen

    Member
    November 7, 2007 at 8:49 am

    Banners being temporary signs get rolled incorrectly or folded at some time by the customer.
    That’s when the vinyl is likely to pucker up.
    Banners have got a bit of a textured finish so calendered vinyl is not the best. Use cast as suggested.
    I always explain the customers about loosely rolling with graphics outwards.
    Even so, most times I see them folded and completely wrecked.

    On another note, banner vinyls being mat finish look so much better than a gloss non-banner vinyl IMHO.

  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 7, 2007 at 10:03 am

    If it’s NEVER going to be rolled up / folded than calendared or cast will do fine.

    If it’s taut then it won’t pucker / crinkle to any noticeable extent.

    There’s a banner I did (on banana banner) in calendared that still looks great after 6 years of being fixed to a wall (tight), so it’s not a compete no-no. Just not recommended.

    Always works better if you warm it on too – gets into any ‘grain’ there may be.

    Dave

  • Hugh Potter

    Member
    November 7, 2007 at 10:06 am

    i think i’d be tempted to sub it out to a printer if it was lots of text !!

    i’ve use oracle 651 for dozens of banners, never had a prob yet (touch wood!) and some are out again now i’ve just noticed.

    one thing i find that helps, is to give it some heat, some extra squeegy work, and the vinyl will work into the texture of the banner,

    Hugh

  • Mike Robson

    Member
    November 9, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    Never had a problem using any vinyl on a banner. Got one rolled up round a bit of 2 by 1 on the shelf that I made in January. Still fine. Used budget 1 year on that!
    Oh the joy of exhibition work – only needs to last 3 days anyway! 😛

    Saying that though, we tend to print any outdoor banners nowadays. Only thing we use vinyl for is dates that need to be changed every year (eg beer festival at pub down the road)

  • John Singh

    Member
    November 9, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    Just stress to the customer that if he needs to store the banner at anytime that he must roll it carefully

    I’ve had customer’s return with banners for adjustments and often they’ve folded it up like it was a bed sheet!

    LG Chem boast that their ordinary calendered vinyls are for banners as well which is useful as they have several more colours than the limited range of banner vinyl

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