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do you have a licence?
Out of curiosity …………… how many of you have a separate licence to allow you to play radio/music within your commercial premises? 😀
I’ve just had a call from the Performing Arts something or other asking if I had one? Fortunately it doesn’t apply here as my office is within my home.
But does ANYONE have one? Or are all of you breaking the law 😉 -
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you need a license here to play music to entertain clients whether you are working from home or a commercial premises.
I play old music thru my phone on hold system (dean martin etc) that are past the 25 year copyright laws, but I’m not sure that it would protect me if I get a visit from the royalty police.
They target hairdressers and trendy shops here, you’d only get caught if you were unlucky enough to put one of the inspectors on hold wanting a sign.
That said, we don’t have TV licenses here anymore either, so I think most people are a bit confused as to the extent of the requirements for that sort of thing.
Rather long answer I know. Probably quicker just to say ‘no’ 😳
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Interesting question. We don’t have a licence.
The lads have a radio going in the fitting bay but surely the BBC takes care of the licence fee for that.
If we were playing music to customers, like in a pub or shop, I could understand the need, but do we need one in our situation?
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as far as I believe John, the bbc licence does not cover music within commercial premises.
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i dont have one…but do i need one, i only play cd’s 😕
nik
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I think to be honest it’s a bit of a grey area ……………
it’s legal requirement to play ‘sound recordings’ in public, including business premises. I suppose if you were playing music in areas where customers would be then you would require a licence.
You also are not allowed to play music at your works christmas party if you don’t have a licence! 😮Shocking!!!!!
I’ll just sing you all a tune instead then, shall I? (-music)
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quote Marcella:as far as I believe John, the bbc licence does not cover music within commercial premises.
Oh well, better not rattle their cage then.
I’m sure Madonna and Robbie Williams can manage without a contribution from us.
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quote Marcella:I’ll just sing you all a tune instead then, shall I? (-music)
ermmm……maybe not a good idea 😉
(ps. lorraine can give u singing lessons…she does a good bassey so im told) :lol1:
nik
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It’s another scam Marcella.
Just tell them you don’t play music if you get a phonecall like this. 🙄
(They used to send out letters a while back – which just got ignored as well) :lol1:
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no scam Phill – check it out on the web, there’s masses of info on when and where you need a licence. Domestic premises seems to be the only place you’re allowed to play without a licence!!!!!
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quote Nicola Rowlands:(ps. lorraine can give u singing lessons…she does a good bassey so im told) :lol1:nik
Aw shucks Nik, making me blush!! 😳
You did give me an idea (-) though, we’re having a fancy dress party again on New Years Eve, theme of James Bond (2-007), so I’m going as Shirley!
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quote Nicola Rowlands:i dont have one…but do i need one, i only play cd’s 😕
nik
yes nik, you do. The fee goes toward paying the starving artist for entertaining you and your clients. Madonna must be down to her last million, can’t have her starving can we 😕
and if you’ve made your own copies…. the file will be in the chocolate cake 😉
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You are right its The Performing Rights Society, they work it out on the square footage of your premises and charge accordingly, ie upto 90sq metres is £100 plus vat etc, and its for background music in all premises where the public may go, cd and radio etc, TOTAL liberty if you ask me 👿
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In that case I’m gonna form the "Signmakers Society" which will be charging all businesses a royalty fee if they display any signs on their premises that can be seen by the public. The monies raised will be re-distributed to all signmakers in much the same way as I imagine the performing arts society re-distribute all their money to all performers. 😛
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Just because someones got a website doesn’t make them legit.
I just goggled "the performing arts society" and there are literarly dozens of different organisations all calling themselves "the performing arts society".
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Phill,
Try googling the Performing Rights Society. http://www.prs.co.uk
They are legit and have the job of collecting all the royalties and then divvying it up amongst the performers.
They’re just like the TV Licensing boys, only with much less sense of humour.
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Try http://www.prs.co.uk/musiclicence or ring 0845 309 3090, you may wonder how i know all this…..its because i am looking at one of their bills on my desk right now, believe me they are legit and do not like to accused of being a con (:)
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Phill, you’ve got my backing! 😀 Just think of the royalties us signmakers could earn! :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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I have decided to declare my business premises are now an independant nation. I have also decreed that this independant nation does not recognise the Performing rights society as a legitimate entity and as such will not be paying any of their bills.
Taking this one step further – I will also no longer be paying any taxes to the goverment of the United Kingdom 😕
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quote Lorraine Clinch:Just need to find a bling dress and bling bling jewellery!
im sure marcella will be able to help you out with those….thats her glam-up gear for the weekend …. :rofl: :rofl:
nik
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:lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
better than your pvc weekend gear 😉
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Wot. No leather? 🙁
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only her underwear John 😮
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quote Marcella:only her underwear John 😮
:rofl: :rofl: at least i dont wear crotchless panties and nippleless bras 😉
nik
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John doesn’t wear those does he???????????? 😮
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No Marcella. Sorry to disappoint.
I find they’re far to irritating on my sensitive skin. (oogle)
I’m beginning to look forward to SignUK 2007 though. Come on Shane. Nik and Marcie in leather underwear! That’s got to be worthy the price of an air fare.! 😀
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quote John Childs:No Marcella. Sorry to disappoint.
I find they’re far to irritating on my sensitive skin. (oogle)
well ………. just go commando 😉
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quote Marcella:well ………. just go commando 😉
I would, but I don’t know what tartan, if any, I am qualified to wear. You sort that and I’ll do it.
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quote John Childs:I’m beginning to look forward to SignUK 2007 though. Come on Shane. Nik and Marcie in leather underwear! That’s got to be worthy the price of an air fare.! 😀
MADGE…..look what youve started……….. (bully)
nik
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quote John Childs:Come on Shane. Nik and Marcie in leather underwear! That’s got to be worthy the price of an air fare.! 😀
I don’t think so Mr Childs 😕
Cathy (shanes wife)
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quote Shane Drew:quote John Childs:Come on Shane. Nik and Marcie in leather underwear! That’s got to be worthy the price of an air fare.! 😀
I don’t think so Mr Childs 😕
Cathy (shanes wife)
it was only a joke………… 😉
nik
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Cathy you should have your own account too would love to speak more with you to get the proper aspect of whats going on 😀 and by the way Cathy hello after all this time 😎
Lynn xxxx
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quote Nicola Rowlands:quote Shane Drew:quote John Childs:Come on Shane. Nik and Marcie in leather underwear! That’s got to be worthy the price of an air fare.! 😀
I don’t think so Mr Childs 😕
Cathy (shanes wife)
it was only a joke………… 😉
nik
She was laughing on the inside nik :lol1:
Lynn… Not a chance… I wouldn’t get a word in at all then 😛
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have you not got two computors Shane ? give Cathy her voice 😛
Lynn
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Hiya Cathy. Nice to hear from you.
:welcome:
Am I in the doghouse? 🙁
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Am I in the doghouse? :([/quote]
no more than me most days John. 😕
She reckons you lot are a great bunch of people, but I set her straight on that :lol1:
Lynn, I don’t have an issue with Cathy joining, but in truth, she is always catching up at night with legislation or industry requirements in her capacity of Workplace Officer at her work. So although she is on the computer most nights, its usually work related and has little time for my ‘indulgences’.
She relaxes watching TV, I relax giving you guys a hard time.
I’ll certainly ask her, usually she’s happy to read over my shoulder though.
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Going back to the licence, I know from bitter experience as soon as you go "legit" with the PRS and pay them their money, you are guaranteed to get a call from the other bandits, PPL. You do also need a Public Performance Licence. A Double Dunter!!!
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another rip off in other words!!!!!! 😕
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Ok this may be a bit contencious and some may say you are hypocrits. why should you think it ok to nik someones music, but be the first to complain if your design was copied?
go on then, …justify why you should be able to play copyright music foc in your work place…..
I dont care either way cos it dosnt apply to me… I just sing to myself…
Peter
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Cos copyright music is played foc on the radio al the time 😉
If it’s something that people like they get their own copy.
These artists should be paying us for promoting their products 😕
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ok peter…you tell me what should i play if i cant play what i want to play 😀
nik
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quote Phill:Cos copyright music is played foc on the radio al the time 😉
Not really Phill. The BBC and all broadcasters have to pay the PRS the licence fee.
Peter’s right.
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Phill
its not foc
the radio station pay to broadcast music, bbc pay for the music out of your lisence, commercial stations with revenue from the adds.
So if you print out a design for a client to use, can he/she reproduce it free of charge for all and sundry?so you are saying there is no intelectual/ copyrite issues with music. and it should all be public domain?
Peter
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quote Nicola Rowlands:ok peter…you tell me what should i play if i cant play what i want to play 😀
nik
play what you want nik, but if you play it to an audience…
Peter
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im ok then peter…i just play it to me, i have too turn it off…its so loud customers would get a fright 😉
nik
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quote Nicola Rowlands:im ok then peter…i just play it to me, i have too turn it off…its so loud customers would get a fright 😉
nik
mmmm………… I came home a week past friday with perforated ear drums after working in her sign shop!!!!!!!!!!!!
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quote Marcella:mmmm………… I came home a week past friday with perforated ear drums after working in her sign shop!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT………..DIDNT QUITE CATCH THAT :lol1: :lol1:
nik
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quote Nicola Rowlands:quote Marcella:mmmm………… I came home a week past friday with perforated ear drums after working in her sign shop!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT………..DIDNT QUITE CATCH THAT :lol1: :lol1:
nik
Sorry nik, I didnt hear that, music was to loud…. can you repeat please
Peter
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quote John Childs:quote Phill:Cos copyright music is played foc on the radio al the time 😉
Not really Phill. The BBC and all broadcasters have to pay the PRS the licence fee.
Peter’s right.
quote Peter Normington:Phill
its not foc
the radio station pay to broadcast music, bbc pay for the music out of your lisence, commercial stations with revenue from the adds.
So if you print out a design for a client to use, can he/she reproduce it free of charge for all and sundry?so you are saying there is no intelectual/ copyrite issues with music. and it should all be public domain?
Peter
OK 😮
You’ve got me guys
I surrender 😳
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Glad you gave up quietly Phill.
I always surrender so I can fight another day 😀
Peter
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I’m still not paying the b@stards though 😮
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quote Peter Normington:I dont care either way cos it dosnt apply to me… I just sing to myself…
yeh right ok………caught yeh……getting some sounds together there peter? :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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whos the old looking geezer in the pic nik?
Peter
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quote Peter Normington:whos the old looking geezer in the pic nik?
some dj i met down in luton………. :rofl: :rofl:
nik
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(-music) (-music) :help:
Lynn
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quote Lynn:(-music) (-music) :help:
auww is he not a good singer then lynn :lol1: :lol1:
nik
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Mental. Someone hearing the radio playing is hardly the same as them nicking your design for a sign. If the BBC are paying a fee, why should everyone down the line also pay a fee for subsequent hearings. Peter is wrong, I am right. What next, pay Paul McCartney ten squids every time I whistle along to "A Day In The Life"? Again, mental.
Whenever you hear the word "Licence", it really means "TAX".
While we’re on the subject, what do we think of the BBC. When the old analogue signal ceases next year, are they going to give us the option of not having their channels? I don’t want BBC, so I shouldn’t pay. -
Well, it could have one positive outcome.
They should enforce payment of royalties on all those youngsters in souped up old Vauxhall Novas who drive around here "sharing" their music. A million pounds a year sounds about right. 😀
Andy, I agree about the BBC, sort of. It would be lovely to see all those luvvies forced to earn their keep in the cold hard world of reality. On the other hand it is nice to have some channels without constant interruptions for ads.
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Yes, I was just making the point about lack of choice. I would keep the BBC if they made it a subscription service. However, thinking about it I should imagine it’s an almost impossible task. I can’t see how you can make radio a subscription service, for example.
As for boy racers, it’s all just boom boom boom these days. Call that proper music? Not like when I was a lad.
Am I that old? 😕
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quote Andy Gorman:Am I that old? 😕
I don’t know Andy, but it sounds like it! 😀
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Mmm …… I’d happily give up the BBC and not pay their fee. I don’t even listen to BBC radio either …….. so why do I have to pay my licence???? Subscription would be the answer, let us all choose. But you’re right Andy, it’s a tax so they’ll never change it.
As for you being ‘that old’ ……………. naw!!!!!!! I can’t say you’re old ….. I think you’re younger than me so that makes you a spring chicken! 😉 😀
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quote Peter Normington:Ok this may be a bit contencious and some may say you are hypocrits. why should you think it ok to nik someones music, but be the first to complain if your design was copied?
My thought is that if I was copying the music, and making money ie reproducing it for sale, or singing their songs for money, then they have an argument.
But, I originally purchase the CD for personal use, then why can’t I play it to friends. I’m actually promoting their music for free.
If someone copies my artwork, and gives it to another sign person to reproducem then that is akin to copying a CD to sell, in my mind. But, if they copy my design to have business cards done, I dont see that as something I can control, mainly because I sell the copyright to the client on the initial sign.
The way around it is to by the $1 CD’s of frank sinatra etc that have expired the royalty period (25 years) then you have no problems.
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and how much would I have to pay? does it apply to more then one radio?
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quote Marcella:I’ll just sing you all a tune instead then, shall I? (-music)Don’t forget you need a licence to perform in public places so don’t sing too loudly – and you are required to pay royalties to the writers of whichever song you decide to destroy.
Walking through our workshops is like walking through a currys or comet – you hear countless different channels all at the same time cos everyone brings their own radio / cd players in… and nobody will give in to synchronisation.
Come the revolution!……… I will play bagpipe versions of rock classics through very large tannoy horns (out of my earshot of course).
Col
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quote coolinshot:quote Marcella:I’ll just sing you all a tune instead then, shall I? (-music)
and you are required to pay royalties to the writers of whichever song you decide to destroy.
Col
destroy?????? I’ll have you know I have a singing voice like nails scratching down a blackboard! 😀
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that good huh :lol1:
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quote coolinshot:quote Marcella:destroy?????? I’ll have you know I have a singing voice like nails scratching down a blackboard! 😀
Yes I often hear that sound (whenever the wind is in the wrong direction) I’ve wondered where on Earth such an ungodly sound could come from – thanks for clearing that up but please stop, it’s winding my dog up.
Col
ps – Its not really a wind-up dog
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quote Shane Drew:quote Peter Normington:Ok this may be a bit contencious and some may say you are hypocrits. why should you think it ok to nik someones music, but be the first to complain if your design was copied?
My thought is that if I was copying the music, and making money ie reproducing it for sale, or singing their songs for money, then they have an argument.
But, I originally purchase the CD for personal use, then why can’t I play it to friends. I’m actually promoting their music for free.
If someone copies my artwork, and gives it to another sign person to reproducem then that is akin to copying a CD to sell, in my mind. But, if they copy my design to have business cards done, I dont see that as something I can control, mainly because I sell the copyright to the client on the initial sign.
The way around it is to by the $1 CD’s of frank sinatra etc that have expired the royalty period (25 years) then you have no problems.
Dont know about ozz shane, but in the uk copyright lasts for 70 years after the owner dies, then again not sure if sinatra or his song writer would benefit most from royalties, which is different from copyright
Peter
Peter
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thought it was 50 peter… i know it’s different age gap to the book writer one?
I have heard radio 1 talking about royalty payments in the past, if they play over 10 seconds of a tune then it counts of a payment of something like £25 or something. -
quote Dave Rowland:thought it was 50 peter… i know it’s different age gap to the book writer one?
I have heard radio 1 talking about royalty payments in the past, if they play over 10 seconds of a tune then it counts of a payment of something like £25 or something.Its boring, but it here
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uksi_19953297_en_1.htmPeter
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I get Lynn to mark the bits I should read.. lol
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Apparently Cliff Richard is concerned that he will no longer recieve royalties on some of his earliest songs as they are now approaching 50 years.
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quote Peter Normington:Dont know about ozz shane, but in the uk copyright lasts for 70 years after the owner dies, then again not sure if sinatra or his song writer would benefit most from royalties, which is different from copyright
Peter
You may be right about copyright mate, but I was talking about royalties myself. Apparently it is 50 years tho, not 25 as I thought.
No difference to me. The rat pack CD’s (Martin, Sinatra etc) I play on my music-on-hold are over 50 year old recordings anyway, so I’m still covered. 😕
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