Corgi > Gas safe

[John Gregson]

I think this is the company that takes over from corgi

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/

Cheers John

[Warren Beard]

I had a customer contact me about an hour ago to tell me as of the 1st April it changes and I will have to redo some logos on his vans.

not go the new logo yet though 😕

[Derek Heron]

Hi it was discussed a bit back
just found the thread
https://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.p … afe#311978
and the new logo as well cheers george and mark brown
Hope it helps

derek

[John Hughes]

Just found this – not sure if 100% correct but downloaded from their site & good quality.
AI & EPS files attached

Hope this helps

John

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Gas Safe.eps

Gas Safe.ai

[David Rowland]

yes, gas safe it is… we currently doing a few more vans now

[Phill Fenton]

Just a thought – but are there any issues involved in supplying and fitting logos that represent organisations like Corgi? Are signmakers authorised to re-create these logos and fit them to customers vehicles? And if we are – shouldn’t we be checking to ensure that the companies and individuals we supply them to are entitled to display these?

Signmakers are not allowed to make number plates but there is no policing of the manufacture and sale of logos representing trade bodies.

(I’m not saying I’m innocent – I do it all the time – but have occasionally wondered should I be doing this)

I just experienced a deja vu moment 😕

[Paul S Martin]

Hi Phil

I think with Gas Safe it’s ok to use the logo as long as you put the installers Reg Number with it not just the logo on it’s own. that way companies and individuals are entitled to display these, it is down to the installer to make sure he has paid his fee’s ectetra ectetra to display the Gas Safe Logo.

Paul 🙂

[John Childs]

I called Corgi once and they got ever so snooty, asking questions about who wanted it, their registration number, what size, method of production etc etc. They said that if I provided that information then they would consider granting my request. Too much hassle for me, and I gave up on them in the end and sourced the logo elsewhere.

I think that, most of these organisations want to keep control over who displays their logo, but I put this more down to the fact that they want to supply them themselves, at vastly inflated prices.

I don’t know the answer to your question Phill, but my opinion is that it is down to the trade bodies to police their own areas of interest.

On a related note, the BikeSafe boys wouldn’t supply artwork for their logo because they didn’t approve of the size or location our customer wanted to use it at. Stuff ’em, we did it anyway.

[John Harding]

heres the first ive done

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[David Rowland]

just thought I would have a quick look as our designers have been doing vans without registration number, this is what i found in the FAQ on the website. I have underlined the bit that we need to see.

30. What is in the marketing toolkit?
The marketing toolkit will provide guidance on how to use the brand in all of the typical situations such as on letterheads, business cards, vans and clothing. It will also provide details of suppliers of stationery and stickers that have been working with Gas Safe Register to provide cost effective printing. Electronic versions of logos and layouts will be available for download from the website through a secure login area. You can also have the marketing toolkit on CD.

31. Do I have to print my registration number with the logo?
You must use your registration number with the logo on any advertising. But is optional on stationery and vehicles. All guidelines to using the logo will be included with the marketing toolkit.

32. Can I use the new logo in my advertising?
Yes. After you have registered, you can use the Gas Safe Register logo in your advertising if it is published from 1 April. It is important not to confuse the public by advertising as Gas Safe registered too early, remember the register is only valid from 1 April. As soon as you Register, we will give you a marketing toolkit that will include the registered engineer logo.

[John Harding]

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It is important not to confuse the public by advertising as Gas Safe registered too early, remember the register is only valid from 1 April

well thats me confusing the hell out of people then, i will have done 11 vans by next week, if you don’t have them ready by the 1st then theyre out of date at that point if they still display the corgi logo – isnt that worse? do these organisations think signmakers will work overnight on the 31st to magically have everyone ready for the morning of the 1st (hot)

John

[John Childs]

quote John Harding:

do these organisations think signmakers will work overnight on the 31st to magically have everyone ready for the morning of the 1st

Probably. *rofl*

I’ve had more ridiculous requests. Like the large corporate who wanted all his vans completely changed (strip and re-fit) inside one month. I did a rough calculation at 54 man years. When I told him that even if we got every signmaker in the country on the case it couldn’t be done it sobered him up a bit. At least he was reasonable and a more practical schedule was arranged. Not by me though – far too big. 😀

[Phill Fenton]

quote John Childs:

When I told him that even if we got every signmaker in the country on the case it couldn’t be done it sobered him up a bit.

Not quite true John

54 man years = 473040 hrs

To carry out the work within a month assuming working 8 hours a day including weekend overtime = 31 x 8 = 248 hours per man

473040/248 = 1907 men

i.e 1907 signmakers working 8 hours a day for 31 days could have done it.

You were being unreasonable John – There must be more than 1907 signmaker in Britain – In fact there’s probably that many currently unemployed just now 😕

[John Childs]

How did you get there Phill?

40 hours per week times 48 weeks per year is 1,920 hours per year per man.

Multiply that by 54 years and it comes out to 103,680 hours. Allow for some admin, so let’s call it 104,000 hours.

Twenty eight hour days (sorry, I don’t understand the words "overtime" and "weekend working") is 160 hours per month divided into the 104,000 hours is only 650 men.

Maybe you’re right, perhaps I should have taken on the job. 😀

Seriously though, and I think that this is an area that a lot of people forget, we always need to consider the effect on cashflow with this sort of job.

104,000 hours at £30 per hour is £3.12 million. 4,500 van kits at £200 each is £0.9 million. Call it £4 million total, in round figures. Even if they pay up like good ‘uns in thirty days, you still need the use of four million quid for two months. We get on very well with our bank manager, but I would need to get him very drunk indeed before he would swallow those sort of figures.

Fair enough, an extreme example, but even with more realistic jobs, say twenty vans per month at £300 each, the free capital requirement is £6,000. That’s £3k for the first months work, plus £3k for the second month, before you get paid. Of course, in the real world, where they don’t pay on time, the working capital requirement can be a lot higher but, as a minimum, they will always be into you for £6k.

Basic overtrading I suppose, but I think that’s where a lot of businesses, not just in our industry, fail. Underestimate working capital and can’t borrow to cover it.

[John Harding]

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Twenty eight hour days

wow john thats why you do so much work, only 24 hrs in my day inc sleep 😀 😀 😀

I knew what you meant though 😉

[David Rowland]

Damn John, could have been the most amazing UKSG project of all time