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Corel Users maybe interested in this
http://graphics-unleashed.unleash.com/2 … ideos.html
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yeah saw that earlier… well smart
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CorelDRAW X5 has been extremely reliable for me so far, of course I have 6 dedicated graphics only machines, using Windows XP Pro 32 bit, Vista 32 bit Ultimate and Windows 7 64 Bit Pro. I use it for multiple types of work from high end press work, vinyl cutting, dimensional letters to conceptual work. The color management for the professional end is dead on. I’m interested to see if Corel continues it’s trend toward professional level feature support, improving filters and output capabilities.
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David, what are your settings in Color Management ?
Just curious really as we are quite happy but good to know what others are using.
We mainly output for solvent printing.
John
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I had no end of trouble with X5 even after the SP and seriously thinking about PC upgrades now.
We returned to X3 with XP as it was more stable.Colour management has been very sore subject recenty at our place, as our printers are more accurate then the JV3. So its starting to notice a lot more.
I need to get X5 working well, main issue currently is Jumping text between the text tool and the pointer.
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quote John Hughes:David, what are your settings in Color Management ?
Just curious really as we are quite happy but good to know what others are using.
We mainly output for solvent printing.
John
For most print work I use Adobe RGB, a light UCR GCR Kodak CMYK profile that shipped with CorelDRAW 12 ( I believe) it is gen50cmyk.icm. Standard default 20% dot gain grayscale. The WCS color engine, perceptual rendering,as thisworks real well and is very close to the non-ICC compliant setting in Adobe of relative colorimetric with black point compensation, I do not preserve pure black and I map gray to CMYK black. I map spot colors to LAB and I check all warning boxes for missing and missmatched profile.
If the size limitatitions is not over the maximum I use native color PDF if it’s too big I use EPS. I also use tif files if required and all my print devices run custiom media profiles and the presses use postscript color management. If you need Corel color profiles (those that shipped with older versions) feel free to contact me at
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quote Dave Rowland:I had no end of trouble with X5 even after the SP and seriously thinking about PC upgrades now.
We returned to X3 with XP as it was more stable.Colour management has been very sore subject recenty at our place, as our printers are more accurate then the JV3. So its starting to notice a lot more.
I need to get X5 working well, main issue currently is Jumping text between the text tool and the pointer.
What operating system do you run X5 on? Are there other versions of CorelDRAW running on this system?
All programs that support XP, Vista and Windows 7 are in my opinion sensitive as well as the 64 bit OS’s. All my Adobe products act differently in significant ways depending on the OS corelDRAW X5 is in my opinion sensitive to being installed properly. In my opinion Corel needs to drop XP support. Please list some of your issues and feel free to contact me at davidmilisock@graphictechnology.com
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Just for the record, David is an authority on colour management and well known within the Corel circles. I personally have learnt a great deal from his posts in other forums.
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Thanks
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quote Alan Drury:Just for the record, David is an authority on colour management and well known within the Corel circles. I personally have learnt a great deal from his posts in other forums.
Alan DHi Alan figured I’d chime in on a few things here
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Please do, All my printing is done by others and my own colour management knowledge is relatively limited. If you can answer some of the CM questions that pop up here I’m sure it will benefit everybody.
Alan D
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quote Alan Drury:Please do, All my printing is done by others and my own colour management knowledge is relatively limited. If you can answer some of the CM questions that pop up here I’m sure it will benefit everybody.
Alan D
We’ll see what we can do, nice Tux BTW.
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My normal working attire 🙂
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he’s been wearing that ever since he joined
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quote Dave Rowland:he’s been wearing that ever since he joined
Some dudes just like to show off! 😀
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One of the few photos I have that doesn’t make me look like a convict or a simpleton and even that one doesn’t do me any favours.:)
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quote Alan Drury:One of the few photos I have that doesn’t make me look like a convict or a simpleton and even that one doesn’t do me any favours.:)
Alan DWell since you were so well dressed I placed an image of myself on this site.
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I have Corel x5 and do everything on it, although I still prefer my dedicated sign software for my vinyl cutting,
Print wise, x5 has fewer problems when exporting or importing pdf’s than previous versions. I do have some stability issues since I upgraded to windows ultimate. Frankly, it drives me to distraction sometimes, but I’ve concluded it is probably a microsoft problem as my RIP has similar issues since the upgrade too.
I had to move back to an older version of ‘Estimate’ software because the dates wouldn’t configure correctly once I went to ultimate either, so I’m thinking there are still a few bugs in Win7/64 that Mr Gates is choosing to ignore.
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quote Shane Drew:I have Corel x5 and do everything on it, although I still prefer my dedicated sign software for my vinyl cutting,
Print wise, x5 has fewer problems when exporting or importing pdf’s than previous versions. I do have some stability issues since I upgraded to windows ultimate. Frankly, it drives me to distraction sometimes, but I’ve concluded it is probably a microsoft problem as my RIP has similar issues since the upgrade too.
I had to move back to an older version of ‘Estimate’ software because the dates wouldn’t configure correctly once I went to ultimate either, so I’m thinking there are still a few bugs in Win7/64 that Mr Gates is choosing to ignore.
Do you mean the software named Estimate? If so I feel your pain.
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quote Shane Drew:I do have some stability issues since I upgraded to windows ultimate.
Same here. Annoying, isn´t it? When upgrading to ultimate I thought I was "taking a step forward"…
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quote Otto Peltonen:quote Shane Drew:I do have some stability issues since I upgraded to windows ultimate.
Same here. Annoying, isn´t it? When upgrading to ultimate I thought I was “taking a step forward”…
I find that the best way for me so far was CLEAN INSTALLS. wiping the system a format and then install
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you lot are depressing me… the advantage of Win7 is the memory access over 4GB!
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Only 64 bit though.
I chose 32 bit for my work machine ( 2years ago) to avoid driver issues, no regrets. I’m only using for vinyl though but still capable for artwork for digital done by others.
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quote Dave Rowland:you lot are depressing me… the advantage of Win7 is the memory access over 4GB!
My main system is a Windows 7 64 bit Pro system with 16 gig of RAM and a SSD drive Windows boot is 18 seconds, no issues except the PS issue with PDF it has a 3900 SQ" limit and there are some device issue with older device all my true 64 bit applications run well. Estimate is a QuatroPro based relational data base estimating program i believe programmed by gremlins.
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hmm… i am aware of a 5mtr page size limit on PDFs but I blame acrobat for now showing the page as the data is very much there as RIPs. They will RIP fine.
I am keeping my eye on Hybrid SSD at the moment, waiting for that to mature
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quote Dave Rowland:hmm… i am aware of a 5mtr page size limit on PDFs but I blame acrobat for now showing the page as the data is very much there as RIPs. They will RIP fine.
I am keeping my eye on Hybrid SSD at the moment, waiting for that to mature
The 32 bit limit is different from the 64 bit limit it seems.
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quote David Milisock:Do you mean the software named Estimate? If so I feel your pain.
Yes, 🙁
Looking for another product atm…..
They wrote the software on a MAC, and they can’t reproduce my problems as they don’t run a win7/ultimate PC for testing.
They tell me ‘technically, it should work’ but it clearly doesn’t. I’ve sent them screen dumps of all my settings, and samples of the problems. They seem to have washed their hands of the problems, so I moved back from the bells and whistles licensed version, to the older version I own.
Huge backward step, but at least my dates work. I have a two license version, but I can’t use the second network workstation as it sees the newer version on my computer so comes up with errors. I can’t remove the read only newer version as I need to look up old quotes as the data isn’t backward compatible 🙁
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quote Shane Drew:quote David Milisock:Do you mean the software named Estimate? If so I feel your pain.
Yes, 🙁
Looking for another product atm…..
They wrote the software on a MAC, and they can’t reproduce my problems as they don’t run a win7/ultimate PC for testing.
They tell me ‘technically, it should work’ but it clearly doesn’t. I’ve sent them screen dumps of all my settings, and samples of the problems. They seem to have washed their hands of the problems, so I moved back from the bells and whistles licensed version, to the older version I own.
Huge backward step, but at least my dates work. I have a two license version, but I can’t use the second network workstation as it sees the newer version on my computer so comes up with errors. I can’t remove the read only newer version as I need to look up old quotes as the data isn’t backward compatible 🙁
You have to love the programmers on this one! 🙁
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I feel your pain Shane, I’ve just upgraded Quickbooks from 2002 to the latest 2012. QB needs to go through 2006 to convert data before going into 2012. VAT got well screwed and it took a 2 hour call to India and several journal entries to bring it back. Don’t you just love programmers!! almost as bad as BETA testers:)
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Thanks for the warning Alan
Ours is yet to be upgraded however I have the disk!
VAT was also screwed up 3-4 years ago via patch
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Just an update please go here http://www.corel.com/corel/product/inde … rod4260069
Alan D
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looks good Alan 🙂
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64 bit yay, use that ram(and processor) dammit lol
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1 week before sign uk .. as last time
Excellent
http://www.corel.com/static/product_con … Matrix.pdf
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quote Dave Rowland:1 week before sign uk .. as last time
Excellent
http://www.corel.com/static/product_con … Matrix.pdf
It runs well too
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Just a warning
last time X5 came out it too Graphtec (and some other vinyl cutter manfacturers) months to update the cutter software, so if you do buy it you must install in a separate folder and keep your previous version of Corel on the machine.
We had many posts here last time about people messed up as they lost their previous version and also Windows 7 incompatibilities
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quote Dave Rowland:Just a warning
last time X5 came out it too Graphtec (and some other vinyl cutter manfacturers) months to update the cutter software, so if you do buy it you must install in a separate folder and keep your previous version of Corel on the machine.
We had many posts here last time about people messed up as they lost their previous version and also Windows 7 incompatibilities
Can I assume that the posts for cutters wer from those using driver based application based cutting rather than RIP based cutting?
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X6 runs very well. I’m on a 32bit Win7 system and it feels ‘snappier’ than X5
Please take note of the upgrade policy
Winplot works ok in X6 I suspect Cutting Master won’t just yet.
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yep cutters are driver based… the majority of people here have them
x6 is snappy agreed
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quote Dave Rowland:yep cutters are driver based… the majority of people here have them
x6 is snappy agreed
I’m running it on 8 systems, 7 are 32 bit, 1 is XP, 6 are Vista and 1 is Windows 7 64 bit with 16 gigs of RAM.
I use RIP devices only and have been very happy. Driver based in plug-in based cutting is something that Corel should work with device providers in the Alpha and BETA stage to insure immediate support.
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Think the follow is worth reading for those who are interested in upgrading… cheers
SUNDAY, MARCH 18, 2012
Corel Upgrade Policy Altered
Back in early December last year, I wrote about Adobe and Corel Upgrade Policies. Strangely enough Corel announced a new upgrade policy on that very same day and the announcement didn’t make much news at the time. This new policy could have an effect on you and I wanted to bring it to your attention so you can make the appropriate buying decisions.Corel’s old policy said you were eligible for upgrades if you owned any previous version of a product. The new policy states that only the most recent two versions of a product are eligible for upgrade pricing. Since most of my readers are CorelDRAW users, that would mean only owners of CorelDRAW X4 and X5 would be eligible to buy the upgrade of the next release of CorelDRAW. A specific question about this policy was recently asked in the coreldraw.com forums and the answer from Corel is that they would offer upgrade pricing to all users "during a transition period".
Those of you using older versions of CorelDRAW will need to make a decision. Do you buy the upgrade during the transition period or do you stay where you are knowing that you will have to buy full price should you want a newer version of CorelDRAW?
I know some of you won’t like this policy, but it is impossible for companies to continue to support much older software. I even wrote a post in January, Upgrades Are Required More Often Than Every Ten Years, suggesting that users need to upgrade regularly. Corel has announced the policy and they will give users of older versions a transition period to become current at upgrade pricing. I think that is very fair for both sides.
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Your not the only one with multi installations David…
Also, there is warning about Scanner drivers and 64bit, so that is also worth noting. How will non-64bit drivers work with sign making equipment will be interesting test for those who want the power
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quote Dave Rowland:Your not the only one with multi installations David…
Also, there is warning about Scanner drivers and 64bit, so that is also worth noting. How will non-64bit drivers work with sign making equipment will be interesting test for those who want the power
Yes running several Operating systems makes life interesting, that’s why I started dressing like Donna Reed.
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I think you can upgrade to X6 from any version for a period of 90 days after that you can only upgrade X4 and X5. Please confirm that with Corel if you are thinking of upgrading an early version.
Corel are committed to make X6 run properly in Win 8 I’m not sure of the policy for earlier versions.
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quote Alan Drury:I think you can upgrade to X6 from any version for a period of 90 days after that you can only upgrade X4 and X5. Please confirm that with Corel if you are thinking of upgrading an early version.
Corel are committed to make X6 run properly in Win 8 I’m not sure of the policy for earlier versions.
Alan DI know I’m going to sound like a bad guy here but in my opinion Corel needs to stop supporting old hardware and operating systems. The programming issue get too complicated and it a user wants to support a Windows XP and older system this needs to be the last version Corel works on that with.
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I suspect this is their intention. The only reason why we are still on XP was other programs linked with our server network, one of them is how Outlook 2003 was licensed on SBS2003. Investment into Windows 7 is due now but it is too costly to do all the PC’s. I can see £10K but that’s not easy to find at times. I rather lease the lot
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I run 12, x3 and x5 on various systems at work. I still run XP because my signwizard 5 doesn’t like win7. I run win ultimate on my two main machines, so x5 is on those. The older versions are strictly for emergencies. As I’m a contract printer too, some of my sign clients only run the older versions, so I load them up on them to rip them across, so the newer versions don’t change their colour output.
x5 does some strange colour shades if you load the v12 file into x5 before you send it to the rip. The new colour drivers in x5 are the best yet, but not always the outcome clients are expecting if they have produced the file on an older corel version.
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quote Shane Drew:I run 12, x3 and x5 on various systems at work. I still run XP because my signwizard 5 doesn’t like win7. I run win ultimate on my two main machines, so x5 is on those. The older versions are strictly for emergencies. As I’m a contract printer too, some of my sign clients only run the older versions, so I load them up on them to rip them across, so the newer versions don’t change their colour output.
x5 does some strange colour shades if you load the v12 file into x5 before you send it to the rip. The new colour drivers in x5 are the best yet, but not always the outcome clients are expecting if they have produced the file on an older corel version.
Matching older versions of color fromCorelDARW can be difficult for a few reasons, one older versions alowed improper color work (non-ICC comliant) and the Kodak engine is nmo longer there as well as newer versions of Windowsd use MS ICM CM 3 and Xp used MS ICM 2.2
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Pre X4 Users Note:
To purchase this product, you must own a previous licensed version of CorelDRAW® Graphics Suite X4 or X5, or CorelDRAW® Premium Suite X5. Please note that upgrade eligibility excludes Academic, Home and Student, OEM and Not for Resale (NFR) versions.
Note:
For the first 90 days following the launch of CorelDRAW® Graphics Suite X6, we are offering a special upgrade promotion for all users that are currently working with an older version of CorelDRAW®, CorelDRAW® Graphics Suite, Corel® PHOTO-PAINT™, Corel DESIGNER®, Micrografx Designer, Micrografx Graphics Suite, Micrografx / Corel® Picture Publisher®, or Corel® Painter™. Please use the 90 Day Special Upgrade Promotion procedure located at http://www.corel.com/installcenter to obtain a valid upgrade key. This offer is only valid for submissions received before midnight on June 18, 2012. -
I’m with David on this, as desirable as it may be for some for Draw to be compatible with XP the fact remains that XP is not the future and Corels development dollars should be spent on moving the software forwards. The upgrade policy is still generous compared with Adobe’s
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Alan did you beta x6?
Would be interest in what you think if you did.
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Yes
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Well as suspected the Cutting Master 2 plugin doesn’t seem to be supported in X6 yet and hopefully it won’t be too long before a new version is out that works with X6.
I’ll be using X4 for a a little while longer as i find Cutting Master 2 very good for my needs although some have different preferences.Al.
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I been putting X6 64bit demo with SSD thru it’s paces on a test machine… its FAST, very FAST indeed
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quote Dave Rowland:I been putting X6 64bit demo with SSD thru it’s paces on a test machine… its FAST, very FAST indeed
Works fine for me too.
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I’m only using 32 bit on a 3gig ram, W7, i5 machine and X6 has more zip than X5. I’m having NO stability issues.
Downside is some of the cutting utilities are not available yet although Summa’s Winplot can be made to work very easily so not need to wait for that one.
Alan D
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