Copyright – would you consider this shirt breaks copyright?

[Liam Pattison]

Probably me being stupid, but how do you mean a risk?

Liam

(just editing this answer, sorry it was me being stupid, didn’t read the title)

[Neil Speirs]

I’d be surprised if it raised any eyebrows.

Can I ask what stencil material you use for your stones John?

I’ve got some Grafityp stuff but reckon it’s a bit on the thick side.

[John Cooper]

The stencil stuff was purchased from Xpres, when Angie gets home, I’ll take a look and see if I can identify it.

[John Wilson]

Na it would be fine, can’t get done for that or even sniffed at

How did you do the union jack type? Print n cut? or Transfer?

[John Cooper]

Printed the Union Jack onto textile vinyl with my Gerber Edge FX then cut the letters.

[Hugh Potter]

quote John Cooper:

Hi all

Last year we created a T-shirt for the British Grand Prix @ Silverstone – it sold quite well on eBay.

This year we created one for the girls but, before I put it on eBay, do you consider this a risk?

I can’t post attachments in this section of the forum so I understand if the message is deleted.

Cheers

John

nice orbs 😮

John, can you say why they’d be unable to go after you? i thought you’d possibly be making money from their name, possibly selling goods which might be seen as genuine items rather than not?

i make a few items and always specify they’re not original factory decals but exact replicas of just so people know, the decal kit is now obselete so i’m ok doing it though.

[David Rogers]

that will be 100% OK unless The Crown copyright gets ticked off at you for corrupting the Union Jack…more chance of winning the lottery than that happening!.

It contains no copyrighted images such as the a GP / F1 logos, any official Silverstone logo etc…

[John Cooper]

Interesting to read the replies, thanks.

Hugh, I’m not saying ‘they wouldn’t be able to go after me’. I just don’t know whether I’m gonna get any shit 😀

Read this and do you still think the same?

According to: http://www.silverstone.co.uk/terms-and-conditions/ –

quote :

14 Trade Marks
Silverstone, and the Silverstone red, blue and white and black/grey logo are trade marks of Silverstone Circuits Limited.

That seems to imply both the word (that you are using) and the logo (that you aren’t using) are protected.

In addition, according to: http://www.formula1.com/termsandconditions.html#copyright –

quote :

The F1 FORMULA 1 logo, FORMULA 1, FORMULA ONE, F1 STORE, F1, GRAND PRIX, the logo of this site (being the official website of Formula 1TM), the Sweeping Curves logo and related logos are trademarks of Formula One Licensing BV, a Formula One Group Company. All rights reserved.

This implies that the words "GRAND PRIX" are also protected by trademark.

Are you allowed to use these words on personalised items?

Phew!

[Hugh Potter]

I was just curious John;)

[John Cooper]

Thing is, I haven’t copied anyone Else’s logo but, it was pointed out to me on another forum that I might be infringing copyright by using the words ‘SILVERSTONE’ & ‘GRAND PRIX’! He drew my attention to the quotes in the post above.

We did this shirt too, I think I’ll copyright ‘HEN PARTY’ & ‘HEN NIGHT’ 🙂

[Andrew Bennett]

Having lived near the village during the 80’s I am aware that it is mentioned in the Doomsday Book, which was written nearly 900 years before they invented cars !!

If I trademark the name John Cooper will I get royalties off yer hen party shirts mate? 😀

[John Cooper]

quote Andrew Bennett:

If I trademark the name John Cooper will I get royalties off yer hen party shirts mate? 😀

I’ll let you know when I’ve copyrighted Hen Party & Hen Night 😀 Whilst at it, I might as well copyright all the Stag derivatives!

[Peter Dee]

As I understand it, you can’t copyright text, only if it forms part of a design which has been registered as a trademark.
You can’t copy or reproduce a trademark without permission.
Quite how this works with all the logo CD’s we use I don’t know.
I believe they are classed as royalty free but misuse could be an issue.
Perhaps a supplier of these logos etc could comment.

[Simon Clayton]

Using the word Silverstone is copyright infringement.
The word is a trademark same as Suzuki, Honda, Ford etc using any of these words even if its not in there company font is breaking the law.

How do you print t-shirt vinyl on the edge, is it a special material, i thought you had to do t-shirt stuff all in reverse coz the glue is on the back….
or am i being thick LOL

[Peter Dee]

quote Simon Clayton:

Using the word Silverstone is copyright infringement.
The word is a trademark same as Suzuki, Honda, Ford etc using any of these words even if its not in there company font is breaking the law.

Simon, you are contradicting yourself which may cause confusion.
You say Silverstone is copyrighted but then say it’s a trademark.
Trade mark yes in it’s particular style but there is no copyright in a name or title.
So a t-shirt could have Silverstone written but not in the style of their trademark or any style which could be deemed to be passing it off as their trademark.

[John Cooper]

This is a Silverstone sausage 😛

How do they get away with that?

The vinyl is from Spandex Imageperfect IP6901 designed for textiles.

John

[Simon Clayton]

Cheers John..

I’m not sure of the exact terminology but using Silverstone in the context its in, is breaking copyright law.

I did some work which used a well known brand but not there logo.
plain block text saying I love my ****** (won’t put the brand)
I was reported and warned i could/would be prosecuted over the use of said words, as it breached their copyright..
A letter arrived from their lawyers stating i had infringed their copyright even though it was not their logo or colours just the name?

So I would say you can’t call that sausage a Silverstone sausage LOL

[Liam Pattison]

quote Simon Clayton:

Cheers John..

I’m not sure of the exact terminology but using Silverstone in the context its in, is breaking copyright law.

I did some work which used a well known brand but not there logo.
plain block text saying I love my ****** (won’t put the brand)
I was reported and warned i could/would be prosecuted over the use of said words, as it breached their copyright..
A letter arrived from their lawyers stating i had infringed their copyright even though it was not their logo or colours just the name?

So I would say you can’t call that sausage a Silverstone sausage LOL

My thoughts would be that as Silverstone is a place as well you would be ok to use it in whatever context you like.

My experience of this is with football T shirts. I designed a football t shirt with team/place name and badge. Umbro got in contact the next day (maybe even the same day) and said, you can not use the badge and team/place name together but you can use the team/place name without their badge. So i could use the team name on a football t shirt. the only thing they had any rights over was the badge as that was what they had designed and copyrighted, in effect their logo.

So i would have thought your situation would be exactly the same, you are using a place/tournament/team name, ‘silverstone’, in the grand prix context, but you are not using any logo of theirs as far as i can see.

Liam

[Tim Painter]

They can’t copyright surely as a, It’s a place and b, it uses 2 generic words Silver & Stone.

I have a client who tried to copyright their co names who was told they could not because it contained a generic word.

Putting various pieces together may come into a grey area I guess.

[Jason Davies]

quote Peter Dee:

As I understand it, you can’t copyright text, only if it forms part of a design which has been registered as a trademark.
You can’t copy or reproduce a trademark without permission.
Quite how this works with all the logo CD’s we use I don’t know.
I believe they are classed as royalty free but misuse could be an issue.
Perhaps a supplier of these logos etc could comment.

Peter, if you read the small print on these CD’s they do not actually grant you permission to use the art in a commercial context without the express permission of the owner. A bit mis-leading if you are unaware of it.

What I find annoying is that they are allowed to reproduce and sell these on, yet you are not allowed to take advantage of it after spending hundreds of pounds on their product.

jason

[Ruairi O'Boyle]

quote Simon Clayton:

The word is a trademark same as Suzuki, Honda, Ford etc using any of these words even if its not in there company font is breaking the law.

I do not agree with this at all simon as the word "ford" as per the Collins English dictionary means
"a shallow area in a river that can be crossed by car, on horseback, etc."

If I feel the need to use the word ford on a T-Shirt there is no copyright/trademark that can stop me doing this. However, if I used the Ford motor car font that they have clearly marked with a TM then I would be breaching copyright.

Check these out:

http://www.silverstone.com/
http://www.silverstonerally.co.uk/
http://www.silverstonetek.com/

Surely they cant all be infringing copyright law?

GO with the T-Shirt I cant see it being a problem.

[Steve Newell]

Hi John
I think you are not infringing any copyright laws here but believe it or not this is where ebay can be quite useful. if ebay think you are in breach of copyright or someone complains to them that they think you are in breach, this listing will simply be dropped. I have had a few items removed, and a snotty email from ebay telling me so.
I say go with it!. Nice shirts by the way.
Steve

[Richard Martin]

quote Steve Newell:

Hi John
I think you are not infringing any copyright laws here but believe it or not this is where ebay can be quite useful. if ebay think you are in breach of copyright or someone complains to them that they think you are in breach, this listing will simply be dropped. I have had a few items removed, and a snotty email from ebay telling me so.
I say go with it!. Nice shirts by the way.
Steve

Your sort of correct there, ebay do review a lot of auctions but not all and a lot of copyrighted material is on sale all the time on ebay. Most items are pulled for copyright infringement because it has been reported by another user and not because they have spotted it themselves.

[John Cooper]

More recently, hard-up solicitors/legal plonkers are scouring Ebay looking for likely copyright infringements. It’s a bit like the proliferation of ‘injury lawyers for you’ bombarding us with adverts and unsolicited emails.

When they find a likely infringement, they send a letter which leads one to believe they represent the copyright owner – pure scare tactics. The letter asks for a sum of money to avoid threatened prosecution even if there’s no infringement!

Makes my blood boil.

[Paul Humble]

Whats the Gem Tec stuff like to use? They bombarded me with samples but I never got round to trying it?

[John Cooper]

quote Paul Humble:

Whats the Gem Tec stuff like to use? They bombarded me with samples but I never got round to trying it?

For the price, the software is very disappointing – I’d say it’s pretty crude! However, if you persevere, you can get some good designs out of it.

I find it quite galling that a piece of software just 17mb on the CD should cost £250!!!

John

[Andrew Bennett]

quote John Cooper:

When they find a likely infringement, they send a letter which leads one to believe they represent the copyright owner – pure scare tactics. The letter asks for a sum of money to avoid threatened prosecution even if there’s no infringement!

Makes my blood boil.

Isn’t that called Demanding Money with Menaces? or rather that’s what it was called when the Krays used to do a similar thing.

[John Cooper]

quote Andrew Bennett:

quote John Cooper:

When they find a likely infringement, they send a letter which leads one to believe they represent the copyright owner – pure scare tactics. The letter asks for a sum of money to avoid threatened prosecution even if there’s no infringement!

Makes my blood boil.

Isn’t that called Demanding Money with Menaces? or rather that’s what it was called when the Krays used to do a similar thing.

I haven’t paid up yet! Waiting a knock on the door (:)

[John Lloyd]

Nice T Shirt John. I would have a word with those pain in the arses on that other forum you go to alot I’m sure they will tell you 😀 😉

[John Cooper]

Thanks John & top of the morning to you :

I’d guess with your physique a skinnifit would be just the job 😮

‘m surprised you haven’t got a picture/avatar up yet, guess most of the ones you’ve submitted for approval have been rejected :lol1:

I venture onto the Atom forum a lot less these days since it’s been ‘taken over’.!

Hope the family the Atom are all well?

John

[John Lloyd]

quote John Cooper:

Thanks John & top of the morning to you :

I’d guess with your physique a skinnifit would be just the job 😮

‘m surprised you haven’t got a picture/avatar up yet, guess most of the ones you’ve submitted for approval have been rejected :lol1:

I venture onto the Atom forum a lot less these days since it’s been ‘taken over’.!

Hope the family the Atom are all well?

John

Yes, to the picture problem, what’s wrong with naked?!!