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Banner hemming or banner welder advice?
hi, my colleagues telling me that banner tape isn’t working, it is coming un-done. I cannot tell you what we are using as I dont know, but i ask.
My colleague keeps telling us we need to invest in a Banner Welder, but you can get ‘cheap’ ebay/china ones or the real mcoy for a small mortgage.
So, what I am asking is how are you finding tapes? do u get calls about tape failing or has anyone found a ‘reasonably priced’ banner welder that actually does the trick?
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Evening Dave,
We’ve done all our banners since day one with Orabond 1395 (from oracal 🙄 ) Never had a single complaint or issue with the ones we’ve done for our own use. To be honest with this stuff once its rollered down in place you’d need some serious umph to pull it apart again.
Andy
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Hi Dave
We always use banner tape and have yet to have suffered or had any complaints about failure. Have been tempted to invest in a banner welder but really our banners aren’t major long term items so investment isn’t really that big an option.
Maybe the tapes you have are faulty.
Tim
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I would agree with Andy here… Orabond hemming tape is very good. it is also very competitively priced against others "in its class".
I mostly use hemming tape, but i do also have the leister banner hemming/welder. so i have best of both worlds, but turn to hemming with the tape on most jobs unless they are very big and ill revert to the welder.
now that said, i went against the grain on this one and not only did i hem with tape, i also used the tape on the joins. from memory i did 3.5 inch overlaps and ran the full length of banner 3 strips of the tape on each join. think the banners in the picture are done in 3 tiles. so why did i do it like this… timescale to be honest. banner material was late by two days, but also because the job was being positioned "inside". now here you might be thinking "oh big deal, no wind load rob?"… fair enough… but! those banners weigh a fair amount on their own. but if you look close, they have 10mm thick heavy duty tie-it’s at every eyelet. (i reinforced the each eyelet with extra tape and banner) now trust me when i say this, those banners are cranked VERY tight! they had to be or they would "sag" because they are not being stood on end, they are being suspended from the ceiling facing down. so they need to be drum tight or they with simpley hang like a belly and look auwful.
those went up about 6 months ago and still in perfect condition as i see them regularly.
i have been making banners with both hemming tape and banner welder… 9/10 jobs are done with the tape and in nearly 7 years of printing banners and finishing like this, i have never had a single complaint.the banner welder will set you back about £1600 and a further £300 for the finishing kit.
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quote Robert Lambie:I would agree with Andy here… Orabond hemming tape is very good. it is also very competitively priced against others “in its class”.I mostly use hemming tape, but i do also have the leister banner hemming/welder. so i have best of both worlds, but turn to hemming with the tape on most jobs unless they are very big and ill revert to the welder.
now that said, i went against the grain on this one and not only did i hem with tape, i also used the tape on the joins. from memory i did 3.5 inch overlaps and ran the full length of banner 3 strips of the tape on each join. think the banners in the picture are done in 3 tiles. so why did i do it like this… timescale to be honest. banner material was late by two days, but also because the job was being positioned “inside”. now here you might be thinking “oh big deal, no wind load rob?”… fair enough… but! those banners weigh a fair amount on their own. but if you look close, they have 10mm thick heavy duty tie-it’s at every eyelet. (i reinforced the each eyelet with extra tape and banner) now trust me when i say this, those banners are cranked VERY tight! they had to be or they would “sag” because they are not being stood on end, they are being suspended from the ceiling facing down. so they need to be drum tight or they with simpley hang like a belly and look auwful.
those went up about 6 months ago and still in perfect condition as i see them regularly.
i have been making banners with both hemming tape and banner welder… 9/10 jobs are done with the tape and in nearly 7 years of printing banners and finishing like this, i have never had a single complaint.the banner welder will set you back about £1600 and a further £300 for the finishing kit.
Rob, is that Air Tex material ?
Regards
Graham -
The tips are great guys, any more tips
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quote Graham.Shand:Rob, is that Air Tex material ?
Regards
Grahamdo you mean banner mesh Graham, i haven’t heard of Air Tex mate…
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yes dave… when using banner hem tape always use a rubber roller with it. NOT a wallpaper seam roller, they are too soft. you need the firm rubber ones like we use in the picture.
as you can see… we are removing the tape carrying paper as we make our way along the joins whilst rolling down firm.if you have a cold workshop and table top i would advise going over the bonded seam with a heat gun to help soften the adhesive onto the banner, as it helps speed the bond up.
[This isnt my hand, its a stunt double.]
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Perhaps it was the photo on the right, looked slighly meshed, Air Tex is used for large (very large) building wraps, to allow air to pass through, to prevent sail effect, it is used for overprinting onto the matrial, very expensive. It wa the scale of the Banners onto the Trilte that made me think that it may have beeen Ait Tex, (honest had not had a few beers) regards
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hi graham
yeah we use banner mesh for large exposed banner jobs, but no in this occasion mate. -
Rob, where did you get that Gantry stuff from mate?
Andy
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Hi Andy…
The ones in the picture were supplied by the customer. we bought them in the past but i cannot for the life of me, remember where! I know that VKF Renzel do them, details on the UKSB TOOLBAR under "banners"…. but i think they are much more expensive than the ones we bought in.
http://www.vkf-renzel.co.uk/artgrp/20257/Gantry+Systems -
quote Robert Lambie:Hi Andy…
The ones in the picture were supplied by the customer. we bought them in the past but i cannot for the life of me, remember where! I know that VKF Renzel do them, details on the UKSB TOOLBAR under “banners”…. but i think they are much more expensive than the ones we bought in.
http://www.vkf-renzel.co.uk/artgrp/20257/Gantry+SystemsThe Gantry stuff is called Tri Lite , the tri lite used in the photo is tri lite 300 , it comes in various sizes, the 300 refers to the diameter of the pipe used, the higher the number the bigger and more load bearing it becomes, the mini tri lite used in shops is trilte 50 , you can get it from Theatrical suppliers, Black Light / Northern Light in Scotland, comes in long and short sections straight and curved in 1 metere lenghts, corners, t sections, roof point sections,base units , they require their own clamps, (you cannot use scaffold clamps as stand off’s or rigging points), bought new it can be expensive but plenty of "Truss" is now going for a song second hand, we use two units for trade shows, light weight easy to store and rig, You can also hire it on a weekly basis and at very competive rates.
There are other trade names : Box truss, Astra Lite, each supplier will have it’s own brand name , you can also get it supplied polished, which catches the light better, but is slightly more expensive , Tri lte and other brands cannot be mixed and matched as all the locking holes are at different points and the tubing is slightly different gauges (enough to stop it fitting together), so beware of a batch lot , hope this helps[/img] -
Thanks Rob and Graham, appreciate the heads up
Andy
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we ordered a number of Orabond’s, so far so good.
We was using the innova products tape -
quote Andy Blackett:Evening Dave,
We’ve done all our banners since day one with Orabond 1395 (from oracal 🙄 ) Never had a single complaint or issue with the ones we’ve done for our own use. To be honest with this stuff once its rollered down in place you’d need some serious umph to pull it apart again.
Andy
Hi, well we are back to the problem of the tape not sticking down, we are now using orabond which we bought a fair bit of, we use Image Perfect 2113 (?) banner material and the material is slightly glossy and bumped on the reverse side, it just not sticking to it very well as banners come back.
What banner materials are you using?
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dave, when you are putting your tape on are you then firmly rolling the hem with a stiff rubber roller?
i have never had a banner returned to me for a hem coming away ever.
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obsolutely, we had 2 banners come back
its 2114 Banner, here is datasheet
http://www.spandex.com/Images/Spandex_I … 4-5312.pdf -
quote Robert Lambie:I would agree with Andy here… Orabond hemming tape is very good. it is also very competitively priced against others “in its class”.
I mostly use hemming tape, but i do also have the leister banner hemming/welder. so i have best of both worlds, but turn to hemming with the tape on most jobs unless they are very big and ill revert to the welder.
now that said, i went against the grain on this one and not only did i hem with tape, i also used the tape on the joins. from memory i did 3.5 inch overlaps and ran the full length of banner 3 strips of the tape on each join. think the banners in the picture are done in 3 tiles. so why did i do it like this… timescale to be honest. banner material was late by two days, but also because the job was being positioned “inside”. now here you might be thinking “oh big deal, no wind load rob?”… fair enough… but! those banners weigh a fair amount on their own. but if you look close, they have 10mm thick heavy duty tie-it’s at every eyelet. (i reinforced the each eyelet with extra tape and banner) now trust me when i say this, those banners are cranked VERY tight! they had to be or they would “sag” because they are not being stood on end, they are being suspended from the ceiling facing down. so they need to be drum tight or they with simpley hang like a belly and look auwful.
those went up about 6 months ago and still in perfect condition as i see them regularly.
i have been making banners with both hemming tape and banner welder… 9/10 jobs are done with the tape and in nearly 7 years of printing banners and finishing like this, i have never had a single complaint.the banner welder will set you back about £1600 and a further £300 for the finishing kit.
Honestly couldnt dont know dave mate… but unless those "bumps" on the rear of the banner are more like rough stipples on the rear, i see no reason why the orabond doesnt do as good for you as it has me…
i know you used some other tape by indosol, was it the same banner material you were bonding with that tape also? and if so… im guessing taht failed too or you wouldnt have tried the orabond? or was there other reasons?
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