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angle to cladding by db sided tape
Good afternoon
I’ve got a customer that’s wanting a couple of 1000 x 400 ali comp signs on the front of the unit cladding.
He doesn’t want any holes so a good double sided tape should do the trick but I want to offer him a couple of pans as well (it will look better and it more money).
Question is: will double sided tape be strong enough to hold the angle on to the cladding?
I suspect so, but thought I would ask for any ones thoughts first.
Jimmy
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if the trays were flush with the top of the portacabin and extended flange top edge going over onto the roof would make double sided tape bond only very feasible IMHO
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Tks John
Unfortunately they are going a few inches under the windows so it would just be the strength of the tape tacking the full weight.
Mmmmmmm…might leave the tray option off the table.
Jimmy
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quote James Martin:Tks JohnUnfortunately they are going a few inches under the windows so it would just be the strength of the tape tacking the full weight.
Mmmmmmm…might leave the tray option off the table.
Jimmy
Jimmy, 2mm / thin steel wires across the top of the window frame down to each side of the sign tray to decrease the loading on the double sided tape. or small holes at the top of the tray to take the wires inside to the bottom of the tray, then double sided tape or silicone /nae nails (the scottish version) to bond the tray to the buildings cladding. mibee aye mibee no ? Graham
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That’s a good idea Graham, as a way of taking the load off the tape.
You mean catenary wire?
However, I’m not sure if they would want to pay for all the tinkering that would be involved getting the wire fixed to the tray and round the window, and getting both signs the same height mind you.
When I said the signs were a few inches under the windows I should have mentioned that they weren’t centered under, but more over towards the door if you know what I mean.
Jimmy
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why no fixings?
when you say cladding, do you mean the corrugated section above the windows in background or then cladding type material but in the same area as the windows? -
The basic wall material Robert.
He just said he didn’t want any holes in it preferably and Ive told him that he could have vhb tape and he said fine.
Didn’t mention a tray at the time because I wasn’t sure about fitting but I would like to give the option if possible without the cost shooting up
Jimmy
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He has to be realistic or go with the most cost effective solution for him.
Cheap and cheerful… Whit rectangle of vinyl applied to the building and graphics applied on top.
VHB Tape would hold this size fine. but you would need the proper type of tape for these materials. if i am correct, those buildings have a grained vinyl face and your panel a painted metal face. i have a cross reference chart that explains whats what for this sort of things but its in work. you could go to J.I.T. tapes website, they may have it to download on there. Just in Time tapes. they are based in uddingston i think. so pretty local to you…
trouble is, your looking at around £30 a roll and minimum of 3 in a box.the other problem with tape is its an outside application. the surface would need to be cleaned/primed correct and a certain amount of curing time. in cold weather and the weight of the material. it may fall before it gets any sort of bite.
if he is trying for NO HOLES to safe the builds face, then he may cause more damage trying to get a sign off the building with VHB tape than 4 small holes.
If it were me it would be a case of you can have what you want mate, but it needs to be fixed properly. if hes on a budget, vinyl it is. if hes not, then a pan or flat compositie or ali panel fixed with countersunk self taper screws, tech screws or rivvets.
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quote Robert Lambie:He has to be realistic or go with the most cost effective solution for him.
Cheap and cheerful… Whit rectangle of vinyl applied to the building and graphics applied on top.
VHB Tape would hold this size fine. but you would need the proper type of tape for these materials. if i am correct, those buildings have a grained vinyl face and your panel a painted metal face. i have a cross reference chart that explains whats what for this sort of things but its in work. you could go to J.I.T. tapes website, they may have it to download on there. Just in Time tapes. they are based in uddingston i think. so pretty local to you…
trouble is, your looking at around £30 a roll and minimum of 3 in a box.the other problem with tape is its an outside application. the surface would need to be cleaned/primed correct and a certain amount of curing time. in cold weather and the weight of the material. it may fall before it gets any sort of bite.
if he is trying for NO HOLES to safe the builds face, then he may cause more damage trying to get a sign off the building with VHB tape than 4 small holes.
If it were me it would be a case of you can have what you want mate, but it needs to be fixed properly. if hes on a budget, vinyl it is. if hes not, then a pan or flat compositie or ali panel fixed with countersunk self taper screws, tech screws or rivvets.
Got it, you need Sky Hooks
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quote James Martin:The basic wall material Robert.
He just said he didn’t want any holes in it preferably and Ive told him that he could have vhb tape and he said fine.
Didn’t mention a tray at the time because I wasn’t sure about fitting but I would like to give the option if possible without the cost shooting up
Jimmy
Ground Supported ?
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quote Robert Lambie:.
the other problem with tape is its an outside application. the surface would need to be cleaned/primed correct and a certain amount of curing time. in cold weather and the weight of the material. it may fall before it gets any sort of bite.
Tks Robert
I’ll explain his options to him and let him weigh up the risks of tape against relatively small damage of holes.
Jimmy
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Rob has a point about getting the VHB tape off when he wants to remove them as you know it sticks like ….
If you do still want to go the tape route with tray then why not make a full circumference bracket so it is not only angles at top and bottom but sides as well to help take some loading?
Or make a tray with inward folds under the returns making it a one piece with angles as part of the tray, then you will at least eliminate some of the weight and not have to worry about extra pressure trying to screw it on and also less visible fixings? (hope you understand that explanation OK)
Cheers
Warren
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What about a tray fitted over a reverse tray lots of surface area to fix. To keep the cost down and weight make the trays from dibond
…neil
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quote Warren Beard:Or make a tray with inward folds under the returns making it a one piece with angles as part of the tray, then you will at least eliminate some of the weight and not have to worry about extra pressure trying to screw it on and also less visible fixings? (hope you understand that explanation OK)
Cheers
Warren
I was just thinking about that Warren but coudn’t describe in words the ‘inward fold’ part.
Its a good option that I will put in the quote, as well as weight saving it would mean not having to buy angle.
Tks
Jimmy
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James you may find that using VHB makes the job a lot more expensive than you initially thought so less profit for yourself. The tape itself is quite expensive and will probably require the use of the proper primer which isn’t cheap either. There is also the added time ensuring the cladding has been properly cleaned before it is primed,
As Robert has also said you may well find that removing the tape at a latter date causes more damage then a few holes which can easily be repaired with a bit of filler.
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