advise please on doing first ever wrap?

[Karl Williams]

Myles,
There’s a wrap demo on the video tutorials mate. You should get some decent tips from that. A transit should not be that difficult though, mostly flat panels. I find the bonnets are a bit tricky as I end up doing them on my lonesome. God I wish I had 2 pairs of hands sometimes.

Karl

[Myles Brewer]

Thanks Karl,
Yep that helps a bit thanks. I just checked & it’s actually Scotch cal 40 series that I’ll be using, any comments on is user friendliness or heating temperatures? etc. Obviously I need to get a good heat gun, I have felt squeegees & regular fitting equipment, anything else recommended, like rivet brush etc

Thanks
Myles 🙂

[Myles Brewer]

Any more tips … anyone??? (?)

[Harry Cleary]

quote myles:

Any more tips … anyone??? (?)

Always dry your armpits when you get out of the bath! 😀 😀

[Alex Wilson]

Hi Myles

Have you checked the material out as the William smith website lists scotch cal 40 as a mid range calendered digital vinyl which I do not believe is going to be much use when wrapping a vehicle.

Typical Applications
For flat glass, metal, paint & rigid plastic surfaces. Suitable for fleet graphics, signs, display & window graphics. Transparent version used for back lit printing.

Anyway things not to overlook

Clean the vehicle thoroughly most important thing i can tell you.
heat the vinyl up properly after application
take your time and price accordingly
allow for at least a couple of mistakes in your price when doing full wraps

You have fitted 45 ft trailers wrapping a sliding door is not going to give you any problems mate just make sure you price for your time!

Enjoy it

Alex

[Myles Brewer]

quote :

Always dry your armpits when you get out of the bath!

Thanks for that Harry but me mum already taught me dat one 😀 😮

[Chris Wool]

i use the 3m 40 series.
if you have to warm it to make it fit in a recess it will pull.

if you can’t fold it in to a recess so its not stretched wrong material for the job.

out of all the ones i have tried in that quality range its the best of the bunch IMO

chris

[Myles Brewer]

Thanks Alex,
I just checked out the 40 series Tech info & yes your right, it’s not what I thought this company would be supplying as they’re extremely fussy about their graphics & positioning etc (German company). Or could it be that as it’s on the new Transit, the sliding door is pretty much flat, bar a few slight ridges which I would think it would conform to easily enough. I have no experience with this vinyl so it’s hard to know.

With regards to heating, would it need it (or take it) if it’s not a wrapping vinyl?

Also regards cleaning, I usually use U-Pol panel wipe, is this ok or do I need Isopropanol?

Thanks
Myles 🙂

[Myles Brewer]

Hi Chris,
Have you used it on anything like this (van sliding door) before
Myles

[Chris Wool]

its the horizontal panel ridge above the door handle that is the problem if its folded in then ok if you just lay on the vinyl then heat it to mold to the ridge it will fail.

its the only one that i have used that does not shrink much if at all over long lengths of print when fitted to vans.

just don’t stretch it whilst fitting

this is with 40 series laminate as well

chris

[Myles Brewer]

Chris,

Thanks for your input, think I’ll just apply from top down & fold round panels.

Would you heat it after application at all, on the edges for example or just apply like regular vinyl with good pressure?

[Chris Wool]

with the laminate it goes on very nicely i would not call it re positional thou, only needed to heat it in the winter.
we have avery wrap for the tricky stuff

chris

[Myles Brewer]

Cheers Chris, thanks for the advice, will let you know how it goes after Saturday

Myles

[RickJesse]

We got taught one lesson that really has been useful and that’s to feed the vinyl into recesses as much as possible before you need to do any heating. Especially on things like sprinters.

R

[Myles Brewer]

Cheers everybody for your advice, sorry I didn’t get back sooner but have been crazy busy (great complaint!!)
Job went ok & was straightforward enough as the door only has a couple of creases & no valleys, (obviously why they supplied Scothcal 40 & not wrapping vinyl)
The trickiest bit was making sure it started off perfectly straight, as the sticker was supplied cut Exactly to size, nothing left to trim!!?? 😮

I actually started off dry, then carried on wet. Would anyone recommend doing it all wet (easier to line up from start maybe?) I never normally use wet application, but I think that only having one pair of hands & with a sticker that size I may have made a ba**s of it dry & I only had the 1 shot at it.

Myles

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[RickJesse]

Nice work and clever design.

[Myles Brewer]

Thanks Rick,
Unfortunately with this I can’t take the credit for the design, It comes direct from the company, ready designed, printed & laminated ready to fit.

Cushty job though eh! 😀 , the only disadvantage , like I said, is that if I mess up, there’s no spares 🙁 but fortunately (touch wood) that’s never happened… yet!! 😕
Myles

[RickJesse]

I’m the designer, I can fit but try to leave it to our pro and when we have a lot on I just become the man that gets told "lift this" "move it up" "right" "left" etc…
You can check out some of our stuff here http://www.dogtooth.co.uk/

[Martin Pearson]

Myles, you would be better off sticking with the dry application, the more of these you do obviously the easier they become.
Problem with applying wet is that the water will tend to gather in the recess and you will have trouble with the adhesive taking to the side of the van which can cause it to pull back out of the recess.

[Peter Normington]

Myles,
Dry is the preferd way, but dont know how you did it, but i would have taped in place top or bottom and worked from the middle with a hinge, that way you split into 2halves, and less chance to run off.
Peter

[Myles Brewer]

quote martin:

Myles, you would be better off sticking with the dry application, the more of these you do obviously the easier they become.
Problem with applying wet is that the water will tend to gather in the recess and you will have trouble with the adhesive taking to the side of the van which can cause it to pull back out of the recess.

Spot on Martin, that’s exactly what happened & it took a good bit of patient squeegeeing to get it to stick in the recesses but worked well then on the flat panels. But like you say it’s practice makes perfect & I’ll certainly try the next one dry
Myles

[Myles Brewer]

quote Peter Normington:

Myles,
Dry is the preferd way, but dont know how you did it, but i would have taped in place top or bottom and worked from the middle with a hinge, that way you split into 2halves, and less chance to run off.
Peter

Yes Peter, I do normally only fit dry, but the size of this one made me a little apprehensive. Never thought of doing it from the middle up or down 🙄 makes perfect sense now you mention it. I lined up carefully at the top & worked down, fortunately it didn’t go off! Will try your method on the next one. Thanks
Myles

[Myles Brewer]

quote RickJesse:

I’m the designer, I can fit but try to leave it to our pro and when we have a lot on I just become the man that gets told “lift this” “move it up” “right” “left” etc…
You can check out some of our stuff here http://www.dogtooth.co.uk/

WOW Rick, just checked out your website…. very impressive.. you have been busy!!

😮 I am truly humbled to be in the presence of such a talented & prolific designer… My work is really very basic as I’m not a graphic designer but if called for there are a few local designers who will either advise or design for me.

Myles

[Karen Gianfrancesco]

quote myles:

quote RickJesse:

I’m the designer, I can fit but try to leave it to our pro and when we have a lot on I just become the man that gets told “lift this” “move it up” “right” “left” etc…
You can check out some of our stuff here http://www.dogtooth.co.uk/

WOW Rick, just checked out your website…. very impressive.. you have been busy!!

😮 I am truly humbled to be in the presence of such a talented & prolific designer… My work is really very basic as I’m not a graphic designer but if called for there are a few local designers who will either advise or design for me.

Myles

just reading this and seeing the van can anyone advise me do i really need to use silver metallic cast vinyl to cover a winnebago when it has mostly flat panels :wave:

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[Peter Normington]

Karen, you dont need cast, except for its normally longer life, but in fact any vinyl may be a bad choice,
To get a good looking result will be very difficult because of the trim around the joins and the door panels, a respray is really the way I would go. and will probably work out pricewise at a similar cost to a wrap, given the prep work you will need to do.
To remove the old vinyl is probably going to be a real pita, as it is so old it may have lost any pliability and will be very brittle. You may need to invest in an MBX, but an expensive tool, and no guarantee that the surface will be left smooth for the new vinyl.

(mbx)http://www.jagsignsupplies.com/aqshop/catalogue.php?id=14

Peter

[Karen Gianfrancesco]

quote Peter Normington:

Karen, you dont need cast, except for its normally longer life, but in fact any vinyl may be a bad choice,
To get a good looking result will be very difficult because of the trim around the joins and the door panels, a respray is really the way I would go. and will probably work out pricewise at a similar cost to a wrap, given the prep work you will need to do.
To remove the old vinyl is probably going to be a real pita, as it is so old it may have lost any pliability and will be very brittle. You may need to invest in an MBX, but an expensive tool, and no guarantee that the surface will be left smooth for the new vinyl.

(mbx)http://www.jagsignsupplies.com/aqshop/catalogue.php?id=14

Peter

oh see picture attached can i not use avery 600 for example he only wants it to look good for about 3 years and he is removing all seals and outer cases etc which leaves me with a dead easy flat surface and a few long stripes to remove and he is my hubbys best mate difficult i know what do you think 🙄

[Jason Xuereb]

Tip: Use magnets to hold down you graphics to the vehicle. You can move it around when two magnets are in place to shuffle the sheet into position. Then hinge it horizontally in the middle and work up and down as Peter suggested.

[RickJesse]

quote :

just reading this and seeing the van can anyone advise me do i really need to use silver metallic cast vinyl to cover a winnebago when it has mostly flat panels :wave:

Are you saying you are going to try wrap the camper? like this truck by the guys at Raccoon? http://www.raccoon.co.uk/techsideart.jpg as I imagine it would be a job and a half…..might be one of those portfolio jobs you do if its for a mate, kind of suck up the extra costs.

That truck looks awesome and I’m sure Raccoon did a Lambo too, so I reckon the Winenebago would look great too.