Advice on cladded wall signage installation needed. - General Sign Topics

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Advice on cladded wall signage installation needed.

Posted by PeterSaint on February 23, 2011 at 10:40 am

Hi there. We intend to install some illuminated signs onto industrial warehouse building with cladding. It will be possibly made as aluminium tray 6m x 1,1m with set of stainless built up lettering ca 400mm tall . As the sign may end up being quite heavy, my concern is if it will be safe to fix it directly onto cladding or would it need any construction behind it? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

Martin Cole replied 13 years, 2 months ago 6 Members · 12 Replies
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Tim Painter

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February 23, 2011 at 10:56 am

What is the return dimension on the tray and the letters?
PeterSaint

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February 23, 2011 at 11:29 am

tray return is ca 50mm and the letters probably round the same, they are halo illuminated then there is logo of ca 100mm deep.
Ruairi O'Boyle

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February 23, 2011 at 11:30 am

what depth of cladding is it?
PeterSaint

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February 23, 2011 at 11:55 am

i’d say it is some standard, trapezoid recess around 35-40mm deep and 80mm wide on the open end then 170mm flat surface and so on…
PeterSaint

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February 23, 2011 at 12:12 pm

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John Harding

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February 23, 2011 at 12:17 pm

my guess is this will be ok use tec cladding screws to fix the tray angle to the cladding.
I have fitted a heavy framework and sign to the corner of a cladded building using these screws and if in doubt for peace of mind a couple of butterfly toggle bolts wont do any harm either.

john 😀
Phil Green

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February 23, 2011 at 12:27 pm

We tend to use 25x25mm Angle the whole length and tec bolt to the building, does it have to be an ali tray why not dibond a lot easier and lighter to work with
Phil
PeterSaint

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February 23, 2011 at 12:31 pm

thanks John, peace of mind is what we need 🙂 i will be looking for a fitter (or team) who could fix another one of these in Dartford… if anyone could recommend someone it would be great too.
PeterSaint

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February 23, 2011 at 12:36 pm

i was thinking of dibond, but it tends to "hang down" sometimes, specially when letters are heavy (steel) and one piece of tray has different "load" to another, also the face is kind of "wavey" unless we would use thicker 4-5mm stuff but it is going up with costs too…
Phil Green

Member
February 23, 2011 at 12:41 pm

Know what you mean Peter but you can always support the middle section we have installed 12mx1.8m signs with dibond this way
Tim Painter

Member
February 23, 2011 at 1:00 pm

I always use angle the same dimension as the return, if you want more fixings go for an ‘L’ section angle to come down the cladding face more and use 2 fixings.

Also make sure the Tek Screws are the correct ones, there are different thread types.
Martin Cole

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February 23, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Peter

If in doubt, I always think it’s worth getting access to inside the building to see if you can get at least 2 fixings for the top rail through to the inside using longer fixings.