Advice on a good Wrapping Course please?

[Neil Davey]

Spandex have an Avery Wrap course, not been on it so can’t speak from experience tho I have heard it’s good.

[Craig Ross]

If your interested in getting some hands on training and an insight before going on a full course. As practice makes perfect.

MDF are doing wrapping courses for around £100 for a days training, you get free tools to take away and wrapping vinyl. Admittedly its KMPF Wrapping Vinyl but its still a good day out. It is up north though.

[David Rowland]

if only i knew someone with a lorry who would have a whole training experience within

[Craig Ross]

quote Dave Rowland:

if only i knew someone with a lorry who would have a whole training experience within

This is true, think we are all waiting for it to come closer. 🙂

[Robert Lambie]

quote Dave Rowland:

if only i knew someone with a lorry who would have a whole training experience within

:lol1: :lol1:

The UKSG truck will probably be in Bristol after Northampton…
Can’t confirm that just now, or the dates yet but I "think" that’s the stop after Northampton.

[David Rowland]

ok, keep me up to date on Bristol 😉

[Luke Graham]

Hi Guys thank you for great advise again and Robert i will look out for the UKSG truck dates on here 😀

[Robert Lambie]

best way Luke is to register your interest in the training mate.
there is zero commitment to anything, but those interested in having training done will dictate the trucks next stop. by that i mean if we get lots of folk registering from the devon area, then thats an area we will make a stop.

Click Here to Register your interest

[Denise Goodfellow]

quote Robert Lambie:

best way Luke is to register your interest in the training mate.
there is zero commitment to anything, but those interested in having training done will dictate the trucks next stop. by that i mean if we get lots of folk registering from the devon area, then thats an area we will make a stop.

Click Here to Register your interest

Hi Rob. Have you a list of the areas you`ll be visiting? I have registered interest for our 2 lads already.

I did notice when i registered interest there were the prices displayed. It mentioned the government paid for a certain amount, ( or was I dreaming) does the government offer all the other wrapping courses this? i hope I haven`t spoken out of turn.

[Jason Davies]

We’d be interested as well in the Bristol area, where do we find the price list Rob?

Jason

[Robert Lambie]

quote Denise Goodfellow:

quote Robert Lambie:

best way Luke is to register your interest in the training mate.
there is zero commitment to anything, but those interested in having training done will dictate the trucks next stop. by that i mean if we get lots of folk registering from the devon area, then that’s an area we will make a stop.

Click Here to Register your interest

Hi Rob. Have you a list of the areas you’ll be visiting? I have registered interest for our 2 lads already.

I did notice when I registered interest there were the prices displayed. It mentioned the government paid for a certain amount, ( or was I dreaming) does the government offer all the other wrapping courses this? I hope I haven’t spoken out of turn.

Hi Denise

I cannot answer for any other course running in the UK, but to my knowledge, NO, UKSG is the only one providing available grants.

Please do not think I am trying to belittle any other course, but the fact is,
Sticking a car into a dim lit cold workshop and asking a local vehicle wrapper to show a load of naive students how to wrap, does not constitute as a credible staff training setup. Sad to say, that is actually what is being offered by most as way of training throughout our industry.

The government has recognised the growing breed of this type of setup "and" using unqualified instructors. There for stamping down on them hard. Only weeks ago people will have seen on BBC TV that nearly £250m worth of training grants went to private contractors in 2011 which have not been inspected by officials. This has now stopped and all training courses and facilities now have to be inspected and approved by officials before being listed.

Further more, I have noticed various training courses which are heavily promoted online are using vinyl manufacturer’s brands to add credibility to their courses when in fact they are breaking the law and have zero connection with the manufacturers in question.

quote Jason Davies:

We’d be interested as well in the Bristol area, where do we find the price list Rob?

Jason

Hi Jason

Please register your interest and we will forward you all relevant information about courses being covered over the next 4 months once we have them.

cheers mate…

[Richard Martin]

prices prices prices, think most people would be interested in the price so why not openly list the price?? or is price being set accordingly to area/person??

[Stuart Miller]

Some prices here
https://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=54857

[Richard Martin]

quote Stuart Miller:

Some prices here
https://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=54857

thanks

[Craig Ross]

I’m just waiting for the dates of the next courses. I don’t mind traveling for something like this.

So in terms of the grants am I right in thinking that you pay the discounted rate, or do you pay the full amount and claim the other part back from the Gov?

[Robert Lambie]

you pay the full amount craig and claim back 50%.
this is not our stipulation, its dictated by the government.
grants vary around the UK, which is another reason why we ask for folk to register their interest.

[Graham Jones2]

Robert
I have read your comments. Can you confirm that you are not suggesting or implying that any of these derogatory comments about competitors wrapping courses relate to the MDP course.

Regards

Graham Jones

quote Robert Lamie:

I cannot answer for any other course running in the UK, but to my knowledge, NO, UKSG is the only one providing available grants.

Please do not think I am trying to belittle any other course, but the fact is,
Sticking a car into a dim lit cold workshop and asking a local vehicle wrapper to show a load of naive students how to wrap, does not constitute as a credible staff training setup. Sad to say, that is actually what is being offered by most as way of training throughout our industry.

The government has recognised the growing breed of this type of setup “and” using unqualified instructors. There for stamping down on them hard. Only weeks ago people will have seen on BBC TV that nearly £250m worth of training grants went to private contractors in 2011 which have not been inspected by officials. This has now stopped and all training courses and facilities now have to be inspected and approved by officials before being listed.

Further more, I have noticed various training courses which are heavily promoted online are using vinyl manufacturer’s brands to add credibility to their courses when in fact they are breaking the law and have zero connection with the manufacturers in question.

[Denise Goodfellow]

quote Robert Lambie:

you pay the full amount craig and claim back 50%.
this is not our stipulation, its dictated by the government.
grants vary around the UK, which is another reason why we ask for folk to register their interest.

Hi Robert.

Is it easy to get the grant, or do we have to fill out endless forms and provide financial information etc.

[Robert Lambie]

quote Graham Jones2:

Robert
I have read your comments. Can you confirm that you are not suggesting or implying that any of these derogatory comments about competitors wrapping courses relate to the MDP course.

Regards

Graham Jones

quote Robert Lamie:

I cannot answer for any other course running in the UK, but to my knowledge, NO, UKSG is the only one providing available grants.

Please do not think I am trying to belittle any other course, but the fact is,
Sticking a car into a dim lit cold workshop and asking a local vehicle wrapper to show a load of naive students how to wrap, does not constitute as a credible staff training setup. Sad to say, that is actually what is being offered by most as way of training throughout our industry.

The government has recognised the growing breed of this type of setup “and” using unqualified instructors. There for stamping down on them hard. Only weeks ago people will have seen on BBC TV that nearly £250m worth of training grants went to private contractors in 2011 which have not been inspected by officials. This has now stopped and all training courses and facilities now have to be inspected and approved by officials before being listed.

Further more, I have noticed various training courses which are heavily promoted online are using vinyl manufacturer’s brands to add credibility to their courses when in fact they are breaking the law and have zero connection with the manufacturers in question.

Graham you seem very defensive here. does your course fit the description? If it does not, then you have nothing to worry about now do you?

Regardless, I make no apology for my personal views and opinions.

If you want to jump on a thread waving your company name about in some way trying to make a connection, then so be it. You are the one doing that.

Denise, I think it will vary from one location to the next.
I hope to have full details on the up and coming courses as soon as possible.

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[Graham Jones2]

Robert

Your term ‘defensive’ is right as the MDP course was mentioned in the thread and then you added your comments which are there purely to elevate your course and denegrate everyone elses, which is unfair and not impartial.

I can confirm that the MDP course in no way resembles your comments and is fully supported by KPMF.

I am sure you are, like us, operating a very professional course. I have no doubt that if any of our course attendees want to take vehicle wrapping training further then they could look at your course, but for an entry level course I feel we offer a great training day, after all potential wrappers all have to start somewhere.

Regards

Graham Jones

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quote Robert Lambie:

Graham you seem very defensive here. does your course fit the description? If it does not, then you have nothing to worry about now do you?

Regardless, I make no apology for my personal views and opinions.

If you want to jump on a thread waving your company name about in some way trying to make a connection, then so be it. You are the one doing that.

[Robert Lambie]

quote Graham Jones2:

Your term ‘defensive’ is right as the MDP course was mentioned in the thread and then you added your comments which are there purely to elevate your course and denegrate everyone elses, which is unfair and not impartial.

If that was the case, then I must have been singling out Spandex & Avery too then? nonsense!

I started my post with:

quote Robert Lambie:

Please do not think I am trying to belittle any other course,

I was not being detrimental to anyone or any other course by my comments I was merely giving my opinion on a post made which alluded to uksignboards training facility.
I outlined exactly why I invested a lot of time and money in providing what I think our trade desperately needs i.e. A proper training and accreditation provider.
I do not claim to have all the answers and I am sure there will be hurdles along the way, but again I make no apology for my views and opinion because, as I have said, it was these same views and opinions that made me decide to do this in the first place.

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[Gavin MacMillan]

quote :

Please do not think I am trying to belittle any other course, but the fact is,
Sticking a car into a dim lit cold workshop and asking a local vehicle wrapper to show a load of naive students how to wrap, does not constitute as a credible staff training setup. Sad to say, that is actually what is being offered by most as way of training throughout our industry.

I think writing ‘most’ is the issue here, I’ve not been about in a while but this reads like ‘our course rocks, all the others suck’

I did the Roland course with James and it was brilliant, well lit, warm room, possibly naive students, very professional tutor. I’m not sure what ‘most’ of the wrap courses means but Rolands was run to a very high standard and I wouldn’t expect anything less from other big name suppliers.

[Martin Pearson]

I would like to be able to comment as a neutral but that wouldn’t be true as I fully support Robert in what he is trying to do. As I see it Graham (and always have done) suppliers offer courses to help sell their own brand materials, nothing wrong with that but the problem is that that is the end of it.
As far as I can see Robert is trying to do something a little more than that in that once you have done the training you can then apply to be accredited which would give you some form of qualification.
That can only be a good thing for the industry as a whole, proper training courses leading to recognised qualifications has to be the way forward for any industry. No it won’t get rid of all the cowboys & having a qualification doesn’t always mean your the best but it does help.

[Gavin MacMillan]

I fully support it as well, I think the truck is a great idea. The difficulty is this forum is a fantastic way to advertise the service and care needs to be taken to not make other courses look bad when they are not. General statements about training providers I don’t think are a great idea as some are out there doing a good job. ‘by signmakers for signmakers’ doesn’t really work when the signmaker becomes the supplier does it?

Let’s not think UKSG is offering this out the goodness of there hearts, money is being made. Yes I still think it’s a good idea and more than likely good value but you need to keep a certain level of class when promoting a product or service and I think Rob’s previous comments fell below that level – unintentionally I would imagine, but it’s all to easy for everyone to look silly in this situation.

[Robert Lambie]

Gavin,

For nearly eleven years UKSB has provided various resources for the sign industry. To aid development and generate revenue, this has always included membership fees, adverts etc… UKSB has always provided advice, educational tutorials, videos, group discounts and more which all go towards aiding the signmaker run and develop their business. Now UKSG provides actual physical training and accreditation. I personally see this as a natural progression.

If someone “asks” me questions about UKSG training then I will answer fully and to the best of my ability giving my honest views and opinions as to why I have done this and the reasons I have made decisions. Just because a trade supplier here doesn’t like what is being said, does not mean I will water it down to make them feel better.

quote Robert Lambie:

I make no apology for my views and opinion because, as I have said, it was these same views and opinions that made me decide to do this in the first place…

Twelve years ago I saw a need for an independent online resource for the UK sign industry. I spent my own money setting it up, developing and have worked tirelessly ever since. Fast forward today, I see a need to for an independent training and accreditation provider. I repeat, there is “a need” for a training and accreditation provider within our industry. As a result, UKSB has now invested heavily into providing our industry with this.

As for my personal views on some of the better courses I know of or companies I see making the right moves and actively trying to make a difference when it comes to staff training or accreditation?

Wm. Smiths, Grafityp, 3M, Avery, Roland…

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[Phill Fenton]

I’ve been on one of the UKSG training courses and I have seen the amount of investment Rob has put into this. Rather than simply hire a venue for a day he has built a dedicated training workshop that is temperature controlled and has state of the art computer workstations for every pupil. There are a range of panels that allow the pupils to practice on all the diiferent surfaces you will encounter in the real world. Compound curves, deep recesses, wing mirrors etc. This is an honest attempt to put together a training venue that is entirely fit for purpose. Not only are the facilities first rate, the instructor I had (James Deacon) is I believe one of the best in the country. No cutting corners on this course.

I cannot comment on the standard of other courses that are available as I haven’t attended any others, but I cannot see how the UKSG course could be bettered.

[Roy Roberts]

At least this thread proves one thing, Mr Fenton can be serious sometimes. 😛

I attended the Grafityp course, instructed by James Deacon, the techniques he
passed on we’re invaluable to me and as there were only 3of us it was very much hands on.
Looking at the setup you have Rob, takes it a stage further.

Regards

Roy.

[David Hammond]

If my understanding is correct, Robs course is approved by multiple manufacturers, and the British sign and graphic association.