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  • About to take my first steps into full colour?

    Posted by Dave Springate on June 18, 2004 at 3:01 pm

    Hi,
    This may seem a silly question but i have only ever used normal vinyl cutting it via a small camm 1. I use corel draw 10 for all my artwork. When i do a design its quite simple to remove the fill and make sure i have a “hairline” outline for the cutter to follow, This as you all know gives me my cut image. The question is this, if i wanted to print a square with the botom one colour and the top half of the square another colour i would have to build it up using to closed path rectangles filled with my choice of colour. How does the versa camm or uniform cadet know just to cut the outer hairline of the square on not through the middle?

    Hope this is clear enough!

    Best rgds
    Dave

    Dave Springate replied 19 years, 10 months ago 4 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Rodney Gold

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 3:20 pm

    You assing a custom spot color a name like “CutPath” , it will only process the colour “CutPath” as a cut line , all you do is asign that color name to anything you want cut.
    however the accuracy of the cutter and the printer are NOT 1/1000th of a millimeter , so when doing something like that , you would have a “bleed”. IE you would NOT cut EXACTLY on the edge of the 2 squares , you wouls let the square “bleed” outside the cut line
    For ecample , if you were cutting a 1″ x 1″ square with 2 colours , you would NOT set one colour to 1″ x 1/2″ the other to 1″x 1/2″ and then cut a 1″ x 1″ square , you would make the 2 squae bigger and then cut inside the colours to compensate for any misregistration so you dont have any white borders etc.
    If you wanted to do a 1″ x 1″ square of 2 colurs , you could do it like this , a 1″ x 1″ NO fill and the cutpath colour , copy that on itself and and scale it up a few % and centre it on the 1″ x1″ square , fill with one printed colour , send to the back , then copy THAT square on itself , , scale it by 50% in one direction and fill with another colour , put in FRONT of the bigger square. then print it . It sounds more complex than it is.

  • Rodney Gold

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 3:25 pm

    Sorry about the typos , it’s Friday afternoon , had a heavy week and a few lagers;)

  • Dave Springate

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 3:30 pm

    Hi Rodney,

    Thats clear about letting the colours “bleed” and then cutting to correct size within the coloured area. But am i right in thinking that i have to apply a specific colour to the outline i want to the machine to cut so it will only cut that particular outline?

    Best rgds
    Dave

  • Paul Rollason

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 3:49 pm

    Hi Dave

    I’m new to all of this myself so I may be talking rubbish.

    Draw your square and fill it with a colour, pattern or whatever but don’t give it an outline.

    Then draw you cutline around this or as rod says inside to allow for any migration.

    The cutter will only cut the the one you want.

    Also, we used to assign hairline for cutting but it was a bit hit and miss at times. We now use 0.001 inch and have no problems

    Paul R(Mackerelbus Design)

  • Dave Springate

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 4:17 pm

    Hi Paul,
    What sort of problems were you having when assigning a “hairline” outline in Corel? I have been using them as cut lines for 6 years with no problems. By the way thanks to you both got it clear in my head now!

    Dave

  • Paul Rollason

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 5:14 pm

    Hi Dave

    We had no end of probs, The cutter would just sit there for about ten mins
    and t hen spit the vinyl out and I would spit my dummy out and pull my hair out. :yikes: :banghead: 😥
    In the end I contacted Roland and they sent me some instructions on how to cut from Corel

    Now everything is great and a lot less stress.

    Cheers

    Paul R(Mackerelbus Design)

  • Rodney Gold

    Member
    June 18, 2004 at 6:02 pm

    The linewidth is irrelevant , you dont have to use hairlines etc as a cut contour , you define a VERY specific colour in your custom spot pallette As CutPath , ANYHING with that colour (provided its a vector) will cut.
    The versacan can eitherprint only , cut only , print and cut or print and then do something else , and cut at a later stage (like you can print , laminate and then cut) as it reads printed crop marks and aligns itself correctly for a cut if you wish to reaload the vinyl/media. This is a veyry nice feature.

  • Paul Rollason

    Member
    June 19, 2004 at 9:15 am

    “The linewidth is irrelevant”

    If I try to cut with Hairline it only sometimes cuts

    If I cut with .001 inch it cuts every time.

    Any other value it rejects

    To me this is highly relevant

    Paul R(Mackerelbus Design)[/quote]

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    June 19, 2004 at 11:42 am

    paul

    the roland versa & soljets do it slightly differently to your roland gear
    the posible problem with sometimes cutting some times not may be that yoy have scale with image on and nthen you resize it
    as i understand it if the line is under .01 mm it will cut it else egnore it

    on the versa the line is given a special name that the rip picks up then wont print it only cut it

    chris

  • Dave Springate

    Member
    June 19, 2004 at 2:31 pm

    Hi Rodney,
    I understand now thanks for taking the time to reply. The print then realign later for cutting is the reason i am gonna buy the cadet.

    Thanks to all who have replied.

    dave

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