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wrap help please!
Hi Guys,
half way through a wrap and we are experiencing problems! Quick history, we have done 5 wraps, (after the course) but they have all been relatively easy, and this van is causing a nightmare! I think i have bitten off more than we can handle design wise, we are having real trouble getting the net part of the design to match up! Experienced wrappers is this possible do you think? if it is if i explain the steps of how we have done things so far, can you see if you would have done anything differently! I think we will have to go for a reprint anyway, but i would like to get some opinions before we do!We have printed the entire length of the van in a piece of 125high by 4m, and then a piece of 50cm by 4m, we then cut by the door vertically as we were struggling, with the size of it, then we are really struggling to match the netting. Recesses no problem have gone in lovely! Sorry if this is clear as mud! basically my question is how would you do this one? Vertical tiles for body panels? Any help appreciated!
Dan
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Dan, can you convert the picture to RGB
it wont enlarge if not.
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Dan
If the plastic rubbing strip is staying on I presume this is where the join will be?
that way a little bit off, on the registration will not be noticeable.
That’s how I would tackle the job, but there are lot more experience fitters on here than I
I’m sure they will advise the best way
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Hi Peter, the plastic strips have been taken off and yes we hid the horizontal join in their which looks good! its the vertical join by the door which is causing problems! I think it is because we cut it after printing and therefore there is no bleed to play with, just adjusted the other side, and it is working! D’0h, well i hope that other can learn from this! I will adjust to rgb! enlarges for me though??
thanks peter!
regards
Dan
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here it is rgb!
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Hi Dan
Right, my input!
Doing the design in drops would mean a join, although its not a spray job customers dont like joins!
I would have printed the design horizontally as you have, including the door and front wing, and join it at the bumper strip. I would have fitted the door and front wing and side all in one.
Only problem being getting both sides on and matching it to bonnet is near impossible so a lot of manipulation is involved!
Matt
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H Matt,
thanks fella! I did do as you say! I hid the join under the bumper strip, the side was printed as one, but we really struggled with its length, and then decided to cut it vertically (mistake i think!) by the back of the door, our thinking was that we could then handle the rear panel (which went on no problem) and then apply the wing and door together( which went on no problem!). But i think as we didnt have any bleed to allow us to play, the nets didnt match up well, so we decided to start again!
I guess a 4m bit is too much for us to handle at the moment! We were taught on the course that you could individual panels at a time? We have done a few cars since the course which we printed the side panel in one and i guess they were not so long as this one so we managed ok! The vans we have done have been much longer so we have done them by panels as in the course method!
Live and learn i suppose!
Do you think i am ok to print the side as above in two sections, if i pop 10cm of bleed/overlap then we can reposition to get it to fit together?thanks for your time!
regards
Dan
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Dan,
as matty points out it is better to apply as one panel,
the bleed will help, but hard to match up with different panel contours.
Dont know which course you went on but If you apply as one panel, you can still divide that into sections when applying. (not by cutting)
I would squeeqee a line down the flatish horizontal centre and then work top and bottom as two separate pieces, if that makes any sense?Peter
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Hi Peter,
i guess its all down to confidence, we did try with a hinge in the door line first and then squegeed our fit line, then went to fit below and then above, but just found it really tough! We flew JD over to teach us here! So i presume we have done the same as evryone in the uk! Ok so i guess we should reprint, man up and go for it in one!cheers guys, will let you know!
Dan
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You flew JD over to teach/ show you! Wow! The guy is good!
‘Man up’ is a bit harsh on yourself Dan. Its only vinyl after all! We have a funny ‘chat’ with the vinyl before we fit! That is we treat the vinyl as our friend, we are not scared of it and we treat it with the respect it deserves. After all it what pays my mortgage!!
Have a coffee with the fitting and don’t shy away from the vinyl. If the pulse rate rises, sit down, have a chat and tell the vinyl your not going to let it beat you!
Sounds bizarre but nearly 25 yrs in the business and the dreaded sticky back stuff ain’t beat me yet!
On a serious note I’ve lost 3 very good friends over the past 5 years, all in the industry and after the great JC’s death I’ve sworn blind that vinyl will never be the cause of my death. Don’t stress, fit, be confident and enjoy. It gets easier every time but each new job will give you another challenge!
Matt
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cheers matty! Am spooling now to reprint! I have been known to have little discussions with the vinyl before as well!! I think that this grafiwrap was bought in uk and i was talking in spanish so it probably didn’t understand!! Will try english tomorrow for round two! so do we agree our technique was basically sound just our delivery that failed?
cheers guys, appreciate your comments!
Dan
p.s. totally agree with your comments, we thought JD was the man! we thought it would be a bit more fun getting him here, than us trudging over to blighty! and two peoples accommodation/flights cheaper than four!
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Apparently the vinyl doesn’t like Spanish dialog! Makes it all brittle!
I taught JD all he knows now and wish I was as successful as he is now!
Good luck Dan and remember, the vinyl is your friend!
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thanks for your help guys! Got it done and it looks awesome! will post some pics when i get a chance!
thanks
Dan
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quote Matty Goodwin:Apparently the vinyl doesn’t like Spanish dialog! Makes it all brittle!I taught JD all he knows now and wish I was as successful as he is now!
Good luck Dan and remember, the vinyl is your friend!
Matty I will be seeing James next week and will ask if what you say is true, we could get a wrapping ring going to see you n James duke it out in wrapping 😀
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Hi Nigel
The almighty James is God in the wrapping world and I wouldn’t step into a ring with him!
He is a legend in his own right with what he does, but about 10 years ago we started teaching wrapping only to be undercut from anyone who did a 2-3 day coarse. The lesson was learned!
It may be seen as negative but mechanics don’t show you how to change your pistons, because they don’t want you to know. It puts them out of a job. On the same score, I don’t want clients noing how I work. If James feels comfortable teaching 18 yr olds to wrap so they can go it alone and charge half what we do, fair play. I’ve lost too many customers because they think they can wrap after a 2 day course. Then they don’t come back because they want a cheaper price.
Its not personal tp you personally or James, Just my opion!
Round one to me!!!
Matt
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ding ding seconds out!
first off, hi Dan glad to hear your getting stuck in and horizontal panel is the way to go, and don’t hesitate to ask me a question direct if your struggling. Also had a job for you on the mainland but couldn’t get through to you?
Matty not sure when you ‘taught me everything?’ but thanks for your comments.
I know some may feel threatened by new wrappers coming into the market and being trained, my feelings are as followsIf i don’t train them someone else will
worse still they train themselves/ which leads to bad wraps
bad wraps lead to companies not getting vans wrapped=bad for us all!
the more wraps out there the more the market grows
I explain pricing on course and not to devalue it so am actually trying to increase prices.
Training is esencial 1 bad wrap will cost the same as a course if not more to put right.
I also explain that you are not a wrapper after 2 days and a lot more practise is needed and no amount of training can teach life experience and the minutia of detail that wrapping involves
All I want is to arm people with real world experience so the end user has a good experience of wrapping and continues to get work undertaken, We can ALL then pitch on that work and let the most experienced, profesional, quality, and economical company win!!!!Also the film is from Belgium so Flemish is also good maybe a bit of german and french also! Dan are there still 4 off you over in spain you should be able to offer up a large panel? Also another tip you can fit top panel first just flap up bottom 1 inch then fit lower panel and flap top panel back over for registration leading edge etc
PS leading edge augument – not just weather but branches trees etc this can effect sign writing etc so back to front for me -
I partially wrapped a lovely big mercedes sprinter yesterday….triaining with James was invaluable…I picked up alot of tips which added to the confidence levels…even tho I thought I knew enough…Those little tricks are worth going on a course for.
Ta James..
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All good points James.
Look forward to seeing you down Dartford in August
Matt
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There aren’t enough good wrap fitters to go round at the moment. Tip, never pay a wrap fitter for his work on the day – lest you find two days later that his fitting is popping out of the recesses leaving you to reprint and refit.
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Hi Cheryl, glad to see you are busy, you came up in conversation last week great role model for very few ladies in the wrapping profession!
Matty, Can’t make Dartford to many other commitments to my customers but the regular work would have been nice and i am sure our paths will cross soon!
A good fitter would not expect payment on the day just for this reason, and if it does occur did you not ask them to rectify it? its not always the fitters fault of course although they are often the easiest to blame.. Did they also clean the panel and print/gass off the media etc. Also freelancers are given time restraints and the less experienced don’t allow enough time on deep areas. I am constantly shocked as to what some so called profesional wrappers see as good work but believe you get what you pay for.
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Hi James,
Glad you are well? no change here except dave has moved back to the uk! Did try to send you a couple of emails but didnt hear anything?? could you pm me your details? Dont know why you couldent get through? turned out well in the end i think, here are a few pics! client insisted on brush script im afraid!!
thanks to everyone for help and encouragement!cheers
Dan
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Looks great Dan, now I know some don’t like Brush script, but it looks fine here !
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Brilliant background but I must ask what went wrong with the outline on the letters ? all those black infills
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its what the client wanted! thought it was more eye catching! knew someone would ask!!
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Nothing wrong with an outline to make it more eyecatching but between the "et" its filled.
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Hi Martin, sorry i’ll explain better! we mucked up the placement of the wrap intially and then reprinted, so the client was here watching the process (something we normally discourage, but as he was already upset, i thought it best to keep him happy!) he was here when we were applying the black and white vinyl and as we were picking out the middles he decided he preferred them with the middles left in! So as the client is always right we cut another set with them left in placed the white on top and off he went a happy bunny!bizarre i know!
cheers
Dan
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I see…..as long as the customer is happy then fine. I can’t stand it when the customer has to watch. Yesterday we did some chequers on the roof of a VW. I told the customer we needed the car all morning before hand but when he arrived he said he had nowhere else to go. So he went up the cafe for a bit but when he came back he got out his folding chair from the car and sat there watching john finish the job. I made a few comments but if it was me he was watching I would have sent on his way to the next cafe until we were done but John did’nt seem to mind.
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job well done Dan.
I dont have a problem with customers watching, it quite often makes them realise how skilfull fitting is, lets them see what they are paying for.
You must sometimes be firm with them though, tell them to stick to pool nets and let you get on with wrapping the van!
Peter
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to be honest, i hate it when the client hangs about watching, it is added pressure you dont need! i have dropped clients off before and even lent some of them my van, that stopped when one of them broke off a wing mirror and then denied it!! as a rule we dont normally let them, it was a special case with this wrap as we were behind schedule.
Peter thanks for your help! Glad you like it!
cheers guys
Dan
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First of all Dan the wrap looks great, i had a similar wrap design (football netting) unfortunately we didnt have the option of to print the sides in one piece as the drop was more than 2.5m. As a rule i always wrap the rear first then work my way towards to front its just the most obvious place to see image joins.
i agree with Peters comments it’s sometimes good to have the customer watch and see what he’s paying for, at the end of the day we are skilled men and should be proud of the work we do and after watching there vehicle transform seeing the work involved you can guarantee they’ll recommend you to friends.
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Job well done Dan and if the customer is now happy that’s the most important thing. As for Peters comments about customers watching I have mixed feelings about it, I don’t have a problem with customers watching me work at all so I don’t think it adds any pressure for me personally but I am not so sure it makes customers realise just how skilful fitting can be.
Had a customer a few years ago who had watched me do a couple of jobs for him, next order from him was supply only.
Week latter he was back asking me if I could redo the van he had mucked up !!! He was quite honest about it and said having watched me do it it looked easy so he thought he would save some money and do it himself.
I have had a few people over the years ask me how I make it look so easy, so although I am sure some people will realise it takes a degree of experience others willl see it as being an easy job.
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