would application tape on backing paper work?

[Gareth.Lewis]

Jim,

Sorry, I don’t quite know what you are looking for, but…..

I supply small ‘welsh dragon’ decals to a local craft shop. After many hundreds supplied, the owner expressed concern that the edges of the app. tape were curling up so I had to swallow and place each decal inside small re-sealable clear poly bags, adding about 1-2p per item to my costs but the contract has remained and I have supplied thousands over the years with no further complaints. I have also supplied slightly larger decals which I have stapled in each corner. This seems to work, no complaints yet.

Hope this helps

Gareth

[JIM COUSINS]

Gareth

i am going to be sending a sheet of pre – cut vinyl ( has a design on it )
so the customer can select which bit they want, weed it, then they can apply the transfer tape ( which i want to supply with the vinyl)

but i cannot get a transfer tape to stick good enough, yet i have some here ( from a similar product) that is 100 % fine and don’t lift even after days on the bench. but i only have 1 A4 sheet of it

so i know it can be done but i just need direction in where i should be looking.

[Gareth.Lewis]

Hi Jim,

It’s me again, I only ever use medium tack paper – perfectear main tape’ but I think there is high tack available, this might do it but I’m not sure. I seem to remember the clear plasticy stuff being championed as better than the beige paper also. I get mine form Vinyl Corporation (Decalcraft). It’s a right b*gger when you have a thing and can’t find any more isn’t it?

Cheers

Gareth

[Chris Wool]

sell the customer the remains of a roll or a new one. or not tried it but wind on a suitable amount on to a old tube. because it is wound on its self anyway.

chris

[David Rogers]

Buy either clear application tape, or a quality paper one that’s specifically sold to resist curling. eg. a ‘lay-flat’ or ‘anti-curl’

Most manufacturers pride themselves on the point of application tape / backing paper NOT sticking to each other 😳 but I know what you mean.

I would suggest an alternative though,

When you’ve done you design – put a say, 10mm wide ‘box’ round it to adhere the edges of the tape to.

I buy Hi-tack paper – it’s much more versatile for day to day work from tiny little details to big panels, it copes with them all – med & low just don’t have the grab I require.

Dave

[JIM COUSINS]

thanks guys
but i will have to include the tape on a a4 sheet of backing paper
1 with each graphic ( same size as the graphic)
the product will be all in 1 bag, cut vinyl design ( un weeded) 1 sheet of transfer paper on backing paper and a small ‘how to’ sheet.

and i cannot stick the paper to the graphic as then the customer will not be able to weed what they want .

i am unable to send a part roll as they need to be flat and packed on a shelf in shops.

i hope this is clearer

i have bought some ‘ lay flat’ conform high tack tape from doro and that does not stay down either.

and my deadline is becoming too close for comfort to be honest.

[Gareth.Lewis]

Jim

I was in my kitchen and it suddenly dawned on me that you want the app. tape preferably already on a piece of backing paper and when I look at your latest post, there it is.

I have never, ever seen such a thing, not to say it’s not out there somewhere. Stupid question but could you vinyl cut a 5mm(ish) outline in a high visibility colour (red,orange), a tiny bit (5mm or so) bigger than decal, weed out and throw away the middle bit of vinyl to leave an empty box shape and app. tape over it. The app. tape would stick to the vinyl border which you could then cut carefully around the outside of, package up with the decal and enclose instructions for your customer to cut around the inside edge of this border to leave the app tape (which is now the correct size) ready to pull of its backing paper. You could then use any app. tape you like! Bingo! Have I got it? Probably not, bit of a waste of vinyl I suppose.

Cheers

Gareth

[JIM COUSINS]

Yep you got it

i need app tape on backing paper.

as the product price wont be that much but there will be a hell of alot going out so i need to keep cost down to a minimum.
so the last idea is great but time consuming and costly.
if only the sheet of a4 paper on backing that i have here had a name on it .

i was told to speak to a ‘ converter’ but the ones i have spoke to dont really know the products.

they put vinyl on backing paper etc… and other products like double sided sticky tape if you know what i mean
i just need some one that knows the sort of stuff that will work together
i could even send out strips of the sample i have here.

[Hugh Potter]

how about buying a roll of the airbrush mask, it’s pretty much a slightly thicker version of application tape, and comes on a roll with it’s own backing, it’s used (or i use it for) cutting designs into, which i supply to an airbrush artist locally, it all holds down nicely before he gets it.

[Alan Wharton]

cut some a4 sheets of backing/release paper, cover it with app tape but have 20/30mm over to wrap underneath the backing/release paper this will hold it in place while you post it, i use oracal app paper and its a nightmare for lifting and curling, every time i app tape to gfx i have to leave excess over and wrap in under the release paper to hold it in place till ready to fit. oracal make good vinyl but there app tape im not impressed with 🙄

[David Rogers]

No idea if this would work with your particular combination of tape & vinyl’

Why not LIGHTLY apply the application tape to the BACK of the cut vinyl (on the reverse of the liner). It’s sort of non-stick as it’s glossy…but has some adhesion.

Might be worth a trial… it’s basically free & uses no extra materials.

OR, if it does stick – do TWO layers of tape – with the top one for use by the customer.

Dave

[Gareth.Lewis]

You’ve got us falling over each other trying to come up with a solution. I like a challenge! I love Alan’s idea but this relies on you having excess backing paper to start with. David’s idea is also good but I always get into a right bl**dy mess with peeled app. tape – goes like wood shavings, all curly like. I don’t know what airbrush mask is like but worth a try. I’m going to phone my half dozen vinyl suppliers on Tuesday to see if they know anything, I’ll let you know.

One more try. Could you stick the app. paper to the outside of the plastic bag, it should stay on for the duration of the delivery shouldn’t it? Or is that a REALLY stupid idea?

Cheers

Gareth

[Peter Normington]

Am I missing the plot here?
if you want to let the customer choose which bits to weed, and then apply the app tape, why not weed and apply the ap tape, and let the customer just cut out the bit they need?

or is there a choice for weeding, as in reverse or normal?

Peter

[Andy Gorman]

There is a simple way to get app tape to stick to liner. Heat press, face down ie. heat the back of the release liner after the tape has been applied.

I used to use a heated vacuum press to achieve this, but I’m sure a regular heat press would do the job. Not too hot though, just enough to soften the adhesive slightly.

This is how we prepared OEM graphics by the tens-of-thousands.

Also, when I started in signs in 1986 you could get app tape with a release liner. It was very high tack, like masking tape. Never seen it since though.

[Kevin Flowers]

Hi
you could try giving these a call check out their web
http://www.scapaeurope.com/news/feature-tapes.html

Kev

[Richard Urquhart]

i think peter has the best solution its so simple

per weed and apply app tape then customer cuts the bit out they need
rich

[JIM COUSINS]

Oh my god i started something here lol

thanks for all the replies !!

yes peter

the sheet lets say has a flame design on it, now the customer can choose which side they want to use depending on what side the design they will paint first either negative or positive. I cant say too much incase someone starts doing what i am about to.
i paint radio controlled car shells ( all inside ) so depending on the colour you want to put down first you use the part of the mask that suites.

Andy, I think has the right idea on the ‘ old ‘ stuff that does not seam to be around any more.

i will try the heat press in a hour and see if it works.

I and frantically running around sticking app tape everywhere at the moment
the bin is full lol

will let you know the results.

jim

[Stephen Morriss]

Use one A4 size of backing paper and just layer the app tape on it, put this into one of those clear document thingies and that should stop the tape curling.

Pete’s way would be the best, but it’ll put the price up, is it alternative designs like an alphabet type thing so the customer just weeds off the letters needed and then applies them or is it several designs on one sheet?

Steve

[JIM COUSINS]

hi pete

all different shapes / designs on 1 sheet
this is a general lee design that you can paint in many ways

like this ………..
http://www.absolutecontrol.co.uk/masksreplica.htm

i place the mask then paint the main base orange then weed the blue bits, paint blue, then the red and paint, then the black 01 then the white,
but some might paint it in different ways due to the paint they are using.

it all comes in 1 big square ( as then my time would be wasted un weeding it for them) then can also use the scrap weed to patch up and mask different bits if need be.

[Peter Normington]

Now all is clear,

for model car nuts, there are some good videos here http://www.sundonmodelshop.com/

Peter

[JIM COUSINS]

nice find peter !!

the heat press didnt work.

i need just a quick fix to get the first 200 out the door for the first week in 2007 but i could hang on untill someone found a perfect solution eg scapa when i ring them tuesday.

but every way so far will take an age to do, i might try the 2 layers od app tape on the reverse of the liner , but i am scared that customers will not remove it before they cut the mask out lol

[Peter Normington]

Sandwich Bags?
Dont know if its a solution but I just stuck a bit of app tape to a sandwich bag, and it staid there and was easy to remove, so some form of polythene sheet or bag may be the way to go?

Peter

[Richard Urquhart]

just a thought could you not supply the mask in the colour of vinyl for the design and then leave it on no painting
just and idea

[Kevin Flowers]

Hi
just an idea find someone close to you with a laminator they will have full rolls of release liner waste from the laminate. Run back through the laminator but applying application tape to the release liner. You may find that you have to play with different release liners, i was told by someone at Oracal that their liners are different (glue adheres more to them) I would give it a try for you but not in the workshop until Tuesday

Kev

[JIM COUSINS]

THANKS KEVIN

If you would give it a go that would be great.
i have some oracal here that i will see if the conform app tape will stick to.
well i have tried everything at the moment and wasted so much app tape but i will be ringing doro tape up as soon as i can to moan about there ‘ conform tape’ as i lifts of its self while still on the roll. about the first 1.5 inches is lifting just sitting on the roll.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm………………..

the mind ponders…………

well anyway

all of you go and get ready to go out and stop worrying about my problems now and go and have fun.

happy new year and will see you all in 2007 !!!

xxx
jim

[Kevin Flowers]

Jim
are you sending them out flat, as if you can initially get tape to hold to liner & then roll up it will stay on the liner until your customer unrolls it. You could always add comment to any use instructions re curling of tape.

Just a thought

Happy New Year to you & all of the rest on UKSign Boards *drink*

Kev

[JIM COUSINS]

kevin

all has to be flat as they will be on display in shops and also postage will be easier.

[Gareth.Lewis]

Could you get the vinyl graphic sheet and place the ‘app. tape already on backing paper’ sheet directly behind (as the two are the same size), and sellotape the two together at each corner with instructions to separate the two after unpacking? This would stop the app. tape uncurling in transit/packet and allow undamaged/uncurled app. tape to be used when needed. Just a thought.

[George Zerbino]

Maybe using a laminator, transfer the application tape (roll) to the release paper (on roll), then cut into a4 sheets.
For the clear bags, try http://www.aid-pack.co.uk, they have various sizes & types. I use them for most of the decals I send out.

Regards,

GeoZ

[coolhiptrendy]

Hi,
Would definitely recommend montex application film from Xfilm – types FT-MS and FT-ML come with 67gm/sqm backing paper. Use a lot of it, and it’s great for sending stuff to customers, giving your product a really professional look.
See http://www.x-film.com/en/selbstklebefol … sionen.pdf
Andy

[Steve Maple]

if you don’t want corners to curl
-simply leave a 5mm border around the graphic
-run your scalpel around said border after applying low tack
-through the low tack
tell the chufftomer this is how it has to be
-then there is now extra on the materials

[John Gregson]

Hi Jim,
You could try clear removable vinyl. It comes 100 sheets per packet (1000mm x 700mm). Its the same as the vinyl we use for signs but a bit thicker and I’ve used it before as application tape. Your customer would just pull off the backing paper and stick the clear vinyl to your plotted vinyl.

Out of 1 full sheet priced at between 45p – 75p, depending on supplier, you would get approx 9 A4 sheets. All you need to do is find a printer with a guillotine to cut to size.

Hope this helps
Cheers John

[JIM COUSINS]

Thanks guys !!!!!

Will will see what the outcome is.

i have spoke to lots of people and now just waiting for confirmation

Jim

[charley weed]

I may be able to help you here Jim….
Thing is I’m less than a week old on here and can’t pm..but
maybe you being a bronze member can look up my email addy or pm me???

charley