which way to go about this?

[David Hammond]

I would, cut the white with the blank space @ 600×350, app tape & trim to size,

Peel off the backing paper so it’s adhesive side up on the bench/light box, align the frost, then align the blue, remove reg marks, and use the backing from the white to cover it all.

When fitting you’ll likely get trapped air where it’s layered.

[Damian Reeves]

quote David Hammond:

I would, cut the white with the blank space @ 600×350, app tape & trim to size,

Peel off the backing paper so it’s adhesive side up on the bench/light box, align the frost, then align the blue, remove reg marks, and use the backing from the white to cover it all.

When fitting you’ll likely get trapped air where it’s layered.

That’s what I am trying to avoid too many air bubbles.
I have spoken with the customer about this issue and told them bluntly what may or may not happen. but still want it pre layering

Although your method is worth a thought, never thought of adhesive side up

[David Hammond]

I think someone suggested to try air release vinyl on the bottom layer. Never tried it myself.

[Damian Reeves]

quote David Hammond:

I think someone suggested to try air release vinyl on the bottom layer. Never tried it myself.

I did see that mentioned somewhere but to be honest for what it is and it’s size doesn’t really warrent ordering it in
as the rest of the order is straightforward it’s just this which there is only 1 so not really worth it

[Shawn Bentley]

just my 2 penneth worth but id print and laminate it, its alot easier and better finish if you can.

[Robert Lambie]

I agree, if printing it is an option, then i would go that route. I am guessing its not or you wouldn’t be doing it this way in the first instance?

layering vinyl, then applying will give you micro-bubbles all around the perimeter of the second lather.

Try thinking of the second layer as a little "step-up or step-down" for the squeegee.
when we squeegee the squeegee is travelling at speed and will drop down the step missing the tiny area below it which causes the bubbles.
Other areas where the second layer may have lets say a circle in it. this will create a complete pocket where the squeegee will not come into contact with the layer below it. again causing trapped air.
Now "throw in" your customer is fitting it! and you have no chance of getting it right first time.

to TRY reduce bubbles its best to use a felt squeegee because the felt edge can mould into areas of the "step" better than a nylon edged squeegee, which would just bump up/down the step.

hope this made sense! 😕 :lol1:

[Damian Reeves]

quote Robert Lambie:

I agree, if printing it is an option, then i would go that route. I am guessing its not or you wouldn’t be doing it this way in the first instance?

layering vinyl, then applying will give you micro-bubbles all around the perimeter of the second lather.

Try thinking of the second layer as a little “step-up or step-down” for the squeegee.
when we squeegee the squeegee is travelling at speed and will drop down the step missing the tiny area below it which causes the bubbles.
Other areas where the second layer may have lets say a circle in it. this will create a complete pocket where the squeegee will not come into contact with the layer below it. again causing trapped air.
Now “throw in” your customer is fitting it! and you have no chance of getting it right first time.

to TRY reduce bubbles its best to use a felt squeegee because the felt edge can mould into areas of the “step” better than a nylon edged squeegee, which would just bump up/down the step.

hope this made sense! 😕 :lol1:

Your right printing isn’t an option
I have told the customer that it really does need a printer and laminate job for best results.
not quite sure why they won’t take the advice and slight extra cost for best result.

I’ve given it a test run on a smaller scale usig. Some scrap material and sent the customer thks result via email so I am kind of hoping they. Eventually see sense.

Even though I would not get much of a mark up on that particular logo I’d rather have them with it done properly.

But I suppose it’s like most customers these days they always know best and penny pinch anywhere they can!

[Kevin Flowers]

Hi
the price difference between 3 layers and print should be very minimal, are you charging too little for your 3 layer job

Kev

[Damian Reeves]

quote Kevin Flowers:

Hi
the price difference between 3 layers and print should be very minimal, are you charging too little for your 3 layer job

Kev

Cheers kev the overall job is in line with rates that’s not the issue
although I think my local printers are charging too much for a trade service
it’s something I have been meaning to look at for a while.

Maybe get myself aquented to some of the reccomend on the board.

I must admit though I am not totally blameless as I left it quite late

Ultimately the customer opted for the cut vinyl layered which I have now done so it’s awaiting despatch.

A slight oversight from the overall job as the rest is simple 1 colour cut vinyl logos