versa and profile making

[Steve McAdie]

Hi zziga

Havn’t used any profiling equipment myself so can’t answer your question from experience however you may find what you want to know by going to there website
http://usa.gretagmacbethstore.com/index … %20New.htm

[Jason Xuereb]

How does this work? Does this software create the profile for versaworks of you use this tool to create the profile in versaworks directly?

[Deleted User]

if I know right, both is possible.

[Peter Yip]

we dont use eye-one but we do have a x-rite spectrometer,

the software we use to create ICC profile is Monaco Profiler, which you can generate an ICC patch, print them off from your printer and scan it with the spectrometer, the software will then compare the target result with the printed result and generate an accurate ICC profile,

which then you can import the ICC profile to your RIPs, i found this is far more accurate with the result compare with general ICC profile.

hope this helps

regards
Peter

[Colin-T]

I have used both and prefer the eye-one with profile maker pro. Same basic principle to be honest but I think the test patches one profile maker are better.

[Jason Xuereb]

So doing your own profiling is rather easy?

You run a test print for the machine to ‘scan’ it then generates your profile for you based on the output?

So I can create profiles specific to fast settings etc and still have the right colour output?

Sorry for the questions I’ve always been interested but profiling a printer when explained to me seemed like you had to be an engineer to do.

[Colin-T]

I am an engineer, its time consuming. Your dealing with the media’s ability to accept the ink really, doing a specific profile and concentrating on sheer speed will get you a profile but the print quality will suffer no matter what.

[Jason Xuereb]

I’m not to concerned about the quality. But I’ve played with using different already made profiles on certain media and some of my colours are way off. Like even using the highest amount of passes etc creates colours out of wack.

[Colin-T]

It will do that, the profile has already been created for a set pass rate and head speed. Like spraying a car, slow it down and too much paint, to fast and the paint is too thin. Same basic principle apart from you will also have head lines to contend with, banding etc. You can do it with practice same as any engineer would, it gives a much better understanding of how the machine actually works too.

[Heng]

quote Jason Xuereb:

I’m not to concerned about the quality. But I’ve played with using different already made profiles on certain media and some of my colours are way off. Like even using the highest amount of passes etc creates colours out of wack.

Jason,
With FlexiSign 8.5 you can make your own profile or change an existing profile, but you must have the eye one or x-rite spectrometer.

It is cheaper to get someone to do it. Imaging Associates in Victoria charging $35 a profile. I have not use them before, so I cannot comment.

Heng

[Jason Xuereb]

Cheers Heng,

My understanding is though the person creating the profile would need to adjust the rip or something along those lines. So not sure how effective remote profiling will be.

[Heng]

Yeah, I am not sure about that either.
May be someone on the board can give a bit of advice.

[Peter Yip]

well calibrating from RIPs are often a bit more tricky than most desktop printers.

most RIPs does have color profile building function which allows you to create and calibrate custom profile for your printer, flexisgn certainly does that.

as i have only used roland colorchoice and flexisgn so i am not so sure how does other RIPs work but probably very similar.

we often starts with an ink linearization, this is to generate datas for this particular media of how much ink is required to achieve a given density, ie 20% ink for 20% density.

then you generate your ICC profile with the linearization data. which will result your ICC profile with an ink limit curve. we use this setup for colorchoice as the software does not use a seperate file for linearization.

for Flexisgn we simply use the build in color profiler and follow all the steps, which contains the aboves in a similar manner. or you can also import ICC profile directly with linearization included in the ICC profile itself, both method works well.

so if you RIPs support ICC profile creation then it would probably be best to source a spectrometer that supports the software and calibrate it from the software.

this is to the best of my knowledge and hope it helps.

regards
Peter