Vehicle Graphics: Wheelsbrook Services

[Lynn Normington]

Hello Dave
a very warm welcome nice looking work only crit left back panel on the back I think would have looked better left justified just my thoughts very brave to post pics on first post 😎

Lynn

[Marekdlux]

Hi Dave,
Welcome aboard. First post, first picture..all you need now is an avatar picture and you are all set. 😀
-Marek

[Dave]

Thanks alot guys,

Will have a pic on soon Marek – need a shave first!!

:lol1:

[Peter Munday]

Hi Dave, nice looking van. I hope you put something behind that reflective because when it’s time to remove it, it’s gonna be trouble 👿

[Jill Marie Welsh]

WELCOME

WELCOME

WELCOME

WELCOME

WELCOME

Love…Jill

[Carrie Brown]

Hello RaveyDavey 😀

Welcome to the boards… what a first post …. I agree with Lynn, it was brave of you to post your work 😉

Van looks good …. look forward to seeing more posts from you ….. and as Marek said .. just your avatar left to go.

Marek – Do I sense a touch of piccie addiction rising in your bones?? :lol1:

:welcome:

[Shane Drew]

quote Jillbeans:

WELCOME

WELCOME

WELCOME

WELCOME

WELCOME

Love…Jill

aw Jill, I was gunna do that!!

Welcome anyway mate, you did a good effort for your first one.

Cheers
Shane

[Marekdlux]

quote Carrie:

Marek – Do I sense a touch of piccie addiction rising in your bones?? :lol1:

Oh no, I just didn’t have anything good to say so I thought to myself “what would Carrie say?”. 😀
Oh, and Lynn, I can’t PM so to answer your question:
Oh no, I just didn’t have anything good to say so I thought to myself “what would Carrie say?”. 😀
-Marek

[Phil Halling]

nauaghty naughty – should’nt use white reflective on the rear of a vehicle it contravenes the lighting regulations.
Apart from that nice job and welcome.

Phil

[Peter Normington]

I have asked about this before, There are, as far as I can assertain, no regulations regarding the placement of reflective on vehicles. There are guidlines and common sense, and your local plod would need you to conform with there guides if you wanted to say, work with your vehicle on the motorway, Reflective is not a light source and does not, (again I stand to be corrected) come under the regs.
If they are any regs then they must state what is classed as reflective and by what measurement etc.
If there is any laws, can someone please direct me to an official site to confirm?
Not being funny or anything, but this may be one of those urban myths.
peter

[Carrie Brown]

We were unsure on the placement of reflective on the rear a while back … we were doing a few vans and they specified what they had to have …. couldnt find any definite info anywhere … if there is something out there specifying the rules and regs would be nice if it was readily available for us signmakers. The best advice I did get was from Mr Big G here 😀

[Shane Drew]

Phil, It is against the law here too, no white reflective on the rear, and no red reflective on the front. But the police will rarely pick you up on it unless you are a truck, partly because on a normal vehicle it is a minor misdemeanor and not worth the paperwork.

You may be picked up when you get your roadworthy tho, but it is unlikely as roadworhys are done during the day, and no one checks the tape type at the time.

Anyone in OZ that wants to check the regs here should get a copy of the ADR regulations

Shane

[Andy Gorman]

Pete, reflective on a vehicle is treated as a lamp. I can’t point you at the regs but it comes under PSDB rules for use on their (emergency services) own cars. Strictly speaking a white light (ie reflective white) on the back of a van should fail the MOT but I doubt any MOT testers would notice without shining a torch on it.

[Phil Halling]

One of our jobs is application of all the RAC vans and they spent a fortune on getting their livery designed and accepted, the original ones had a reflective white RAC on the rear door but after six months or so we had a directive to stop applying these and all the done ones were then changed to non-reflective, another job we were involved with was oxford bus who run coaches up & down the M40 all the time, they had all of their fleet done in ref. white on rear, ran it for about 12 months or so then her maj’s traffic cops TOLD them in no uncertain terms off it had to come and PDQ.

[Dave]

Glad you told me that Phil,

I have done a couple of jobs with white reflective on the rear, my vehicle has nothing BUT reflective white on the back of it, never been stopped though.

[Peter Normington]

I know plod can be pedantic, but they are the upholders, not the makers of the law. Its fine for them to say “take it off” but they must have a reason in law. It still would be nice to see something official to prove or disprove its an official regulation. For instance, I checked with CPS web site, and could not find any prosecutions or even references to the use of reflective, I have also checked with an Mot tester and he could find no reflerence to it apart from the need to have reflectors on the rear and sides of vehicles. What Im saying its no good just saying its against the law, there must be proof somewhere?
I have had white reflective on my van and never been pulled.
So Please try and find the relevant articles in law, I’ve tried and can’t.
Otherwise it will still be an urban myth. 😀
Peter

[David Rowland]

We also don’t put reflective on backs of vans.
To be quite frank, common sense might be the reason. Not sure the impact of headlight dazzle though.

[Peter Normington]

Dave I dont see a problem, road signs are reflective and in various colour inc white, and as far as common sense goes, we dont mistake them for the front of a vehicle, which I presume is the argument for not fitting white to the rear.
These sort arguments may have made sense in the fog and smog of the fifties, when car headlamps were little more than candles. demisters, were only fitted to posh cars, and street lighting was only one better than gas!.
Todays world is a bit different, cars are well lit and for most of the time so are our roads.
Speaking for myself, as an aging driver, I hope I would be able to tell the back of any vehicle from the front regardless of any vinyl stuck on it, otherwise it would be time to surrender my license,
Peter

[Peter Normington]

Sorry to new comer Dave (raveydavey294)
For going of topic somewhat, and highjaking your post.
Peter

[David Rowland]

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_1.htm#tcon

Here is said document, I started reading it but fell asleep.

I got nothing against a sign writer putting what the customer wants, but I think reflective designs just need some extra thought, who wants a customer coming back shouting at us for suggesting reflective after all.

Also, we will keep bumping into the law with planning, vehicles, number plates and other legal issues, the law changes at fast pace in a number of things and it’s hard to keep up with it all, not just in Sign Making, in every aspect.

[Peter Normington]

Sorry dave just glanced through it I am sure I have read that before Mentions reflectors, but can you cut and paste the bit about reflective, Its a big document.
Peter

[David Rowland]

well, I cant understand the document, I would have to think hard about it, so I just bookmark it for now.

however this first(ish) line was interesting

(3) Material designed primarily to reflect light is, when reflecting light, to be treated for the purposes of these Regulations as showing a light, and material capable of reflecting an image is not, when reflecting the image of a light, to be so treated.

So, doesn’t that mean that our material is a light. Therefore the rest of the boring document talks about where lights should be,size,qty etc. yeah.. dull. time for bed i think

Sorry to Dave too, I feel guilty that I have dug deep and gone off category, hope you learn lots as I have here. Keep up the good work and hope to see a few more of your jobs soon.

[Shane Drew]

hey guys, I am sorry that the post as been hijaked too (sorry Dave) but end of the day, Dave will probably be interested in this topic too, as it seems to be one of those posts that crops up from time to time.

Cheers

[Phil Halling]

Perhaps I should have just said “nice job” and “welcome” and left it at that.
Phil

[Dave]

That’s fine guys, glad to learn now than when i do a fleet of vans in it, and get the company owner knocking on my door with PC plod in tow 🙄

Cheers Guys

Dave

[Peter Normington]

Dave (rowland) Thanks for the link, I have tried to study it but the wording is not what you would call plain english. Im sure that if there was a prosecution, any decent barrister could blow holes in it. If the law states that “reflectitive material” for the purpose of etc. it must then define what is reflective. A mirror is the definative reflective material, but on an automobile they all face to the rear! The Paragraph that you pasted is somewhat ambiguous, it says that reflecting an image should not be classed as a light source. so now we have to define an image! The law is an ass. If you cant afford to argue you just have to accept the consequences.
I suggest that if we are to continue this debate the next post, if related to the reflective issue, should be posted as a new topic, so as to leave dave and his post alone.
Peter

[Iain Gordon]

Why not get the manufacturers to make a 10% black reflective????

Or would that be a grey area??

Iain

[David Rowland]

Argh! Peter I see you like to see things in a different light. (hot)

[Shane Drew]

on reflection, iain, not a bad thought 😮

[Dennis Van Der Lingen]

really nice,

it could be the photo disseaving(excuse my english) me but on the rear bumper the tekst “parts” does not match