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These guys make it look easy!
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Bl@@dy hell……….gas torches………..
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I be useless with a blow torch. This guys prices don’t sound right to me. Either that or we get charged to much for materials.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr_Y2w8cV … re=related
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It looks easy because it is.
Only because these guys do it day in, day out, and that is why they charge considerably less than someone who does the occasional wrap, and takes longer to do the job.
wrap material is only a small percent of the cost, say an average car takes 15 square max thats only about £120 inc. ink
Ok printers have to be paid for, and overheads, but wraps will become cheaper and cheaper, just like cut vinyl has over the years,
that is the way of the world.A dollar = £ anyway untill recent in the scale of things so prices in usa are similar to here I would say for wraps
Peter
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Where do get your materials from Peter? 15m of wrap + laminate + ink for £120? You been at the gin again? Or am I missing a good deal somewhere?
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Karl mate,
I dont drink gin,
anyway, for example, graphiwrap can be bought for about 10 quid (cast and lam)
but there are others, and deals can be done.
£7 per square is not un-obtainable,
What are you paying?
as a point in question, I can buy in ready to apply wrap for £20 per square,
so say £300 for materials, and then for some it is just labour charge to fit
that is why some people can do a car a day for £600 quid and make good money.that is the bottom line, the big buyers of wrap work on economy of scale
you and I have to try and compete best we canPeter
Peter
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That’s a nice easy van he does. I’ve watched the DVD and there are no difficult recesses on it.
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I’ve started buying the grafiwrap. £175 for 25m for the vinyl……£170 for 25m of the laminate = £345. Works out at £13.80 + Vat per meter. Then there’s your inks. So lets say for conversations sake £20ish pm. So I still can’t see where you get the £7 psm from. The guy at Sign UK mentioned you can wrap a car for as little as £6 psm. Sorry but I can’t see where this comes from.
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Karl.
the more you buy the cheaper it gets,
so for the large add wrap companies, and their suppliers, they buy in tens of rolls, not metres, so really do get large discounts, so thats what the guys who do wraps constanly, work to, you and I only buy a roll or two at a time, so pay more, just trying to explain why the guys on utube can do it at the price they claim,
A off job is obviously more expensive, but if you have a market then the one offs add up and become more of a production line thing.Hope this explains my train of thought
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and even on the figures you give, it works out at £10 per square metre mate, dont forget 25 linear at 1300 = 32-5 squre metre
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Peter. It’s self explanatory the more you buy the cheaper it becomes.
You said 15m of vinyl & laminate inc inks for £120 for a basic car. So are you saying you buy bulk or do you get a good discount? -
Karl
shop around, thats all i am saying, £8 per SQUARE metre inc ink should be possible, but you may have to buy more than 25 m
but at the end of the day, even at £20 a square m like i said, a wrap can be done by the guys that do it all day long, far quicker than you or me, so that is how they do it more competetively.
an experienced wrapper will charge around £200 per day, so add 300 quid for materials, and a complete wrap will cost £500 double that as retail , and you make £500 for next to nothingand trust me, the guys in the real wraps video, are as quick as they appear
Peter
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That’s Justin Pate. I’ve posted links to his DVDs before. He has many techniques that will save you time.
Wraps is like anything. The more you do the quicker you get. I remember my first wrap took me ages. Now I haven’t even done 10 wraps yet and I can do them in half the time.
Justin pate once did nearly 90 vehicles in 20 days with a few other guys. So he has a lot of training behind him and a lot of experience.
His biggest asset is his ability to finish with a knife rather quickly and effectively. He usually makes one cut and its perfect and isn’t scared to do it.
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im sorry, but i dont care how cheap it can be done for or how quick, wrapping is being under sold. thats bad business and bad for any of us being dragged into thinking otherwise.
getting vinyl in place fast is good, especially for doing a wrap, but keeping it in there and making sure its trimmed and heat properly is another.
also, if you can wrap fast it means less labour and more money in your pocket, not "i can wrap fast, so ill charge less" yes, there is reasons for dropping your price like on fleet work and the like, but not by much…
its better business doing 2 wraps, 2 days for £4000 than 4 wraps, 4 days for £4000. -
The price of a wrap is what the market will pay, especially in these economic times.
All things being equal, material costs, and fitting quality etc, the next thing to sell is the turnround time,
but depends on how you do the maths Rob.Company A works out that in needs to charge 1k to do a wrap and there present fitter will take 2 days,
company B offers the same price but their fitter can do them in a day, so for the same overhead company B can do 2 wraps in the same time as copmany A can do one, but the customer is still paying the same per vehicle.
so to get the contract copmany B has to offer another incentive, apart from a quicker turnaround, so offers to do the wrap at £900, that is competition, company B still gets more profit by the fact it can do them quicker It takes 1800 over 2 days as oppossed to the 1000 of company APeter
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quote Robert Lambie:im sorry, but i dont care how cheap it can be done for or how quick, wrapping is being under sold. thats bad business and bad for any of us being dragged into thinking otherwise.
getting vinyl in place fast is good, especially for doing a wrap, but keeping it in there and making sure its trimmed and heat properly is another.
also, if you can wrap fast it means less labour and more money in your pocket, not “i can wrap fast, so ill charge less” yes, there is reasons for dropping your price like on fleet work and the like, but not by much…
its better business doing 2 wraps, 2 days for £4000 than 4 wraps, 4 days for £4000.All i’m asking is how do some sign co’s manage to do wraps at silly prices.
I don’t agree with Peters comment on the £120 for mats to wrap a car using 15 meters of vinyl and 15m of laminate inc inks. That’s a cost of £4 a meter. 😕 How do you arrive at this Peter?
Yes Rob, wrapping is undersold. I know of one firm that wraps day in day out charging stupid prices you wouldn’t want to compete with. Problem is this makes it harder for surrounding firms to compete and earn good money. -
hi Karl
120 divided bi 15 = £8 per square m. which is what I said originally.perhaps we are on cross lines, I am working in square metres, not linear metres.
firms that specialise and do wraps at "silly" prices may be keeping busy and making a profit, its never any good complaining that others are doing it cheaper than you or I can, either you have to find a way to compete, or get out of that particular market.
When I say compete, I emphasise that the work and quality is the same and only the pricing is different.
I am not talking about cowboy outfits that do bad work with inferior materials and are here today and gone tomorrow,Its a tough world out there…..
Peter
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Are you just working on 15 m vinyl Peter. What about the laminate? That would make 30m.
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Karl the two together cast and lam,
£8 per square metre, finished product, it is as I said what the people who specialise in wraps, and buy in quantity are paying.hence how they can sell a wrap at far cheaper prices than people who only do wraps on an add hoc basis,
today I recieved an email from a firm that will do a pop up 2m x 800mm
cassette AND printed material for…..£19.99, sounds absurd but true.I couldnt buy the materials for that. but someone must be able to, unless of course its a scam?
Peter
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No Peter it’s not a scam mate. I used to do them for a firm that made wooden toys. They started buying them for £20 all in.
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Karl
just to clarify the per square m price,graphiwrap is listed in their latest brochure at £4.90 for the cast and £4.92 for the lam so £9.82 per square m two put together,
but they are not the only wrap suppliers, just using them as an example, you can easily see that £8 per square would not be hard to get, if you bought in large quantities.
Peter
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