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    Posted by Derek Heron on 18 April 2005 at 16:02

    have been asked to quote on the following see pics
    white reversed on glass then cover with blue the coloured logo is to be supplied
    never done anything like this need some pointers as to go about it
    don’t want to put the white on then cock up the blue should i put white on dry and blue wet as if i cock the blue the white has to come off as well inc the coloured logo large one is 3mtre long
    how do i get it right to the edges and corners without creasing
    would be using macal 9800s i am thinking 3 hours plus the vinyl as costs what would you charge
    cheers Dex


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    John Harding replied 20 years, 7 months ago 8 Members · 12 Replies
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  • Jayne Marsh

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 16:10

    If I was doing this job I would fret cut the blue panel by putting a 1mm or 1/2mm outline round the white letters then selecting the outline and joining it to the blue panel. Cut the blue panel with the outline so that when you cut the white letters you can put them in place on the bench at home and apply the whole panel in one hit on the job. You will be left with a very small gap all around the letters but if you’re clever you can make this gap so small so the customer doesnt notice. It gives a better finish than overlaying the blue on top of the white and having to deal with the silvering involved.
    Hope this makes sense and doubtless other people would tackle this job differently.

  • Ramj

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 16:46

    Stick the white on dry, then just apply the blue wet, taking extra care to clean everything totally before hand,

    Nothing should really go wrong at all with a job like this. Just make sure you get any thing off the window first.

    If you get a little resevoir of water around the text, squeegee a hell of a lot, and push it all to one point, use a pin to create a hole and then push the water out (like any bubbles).

  • Bill Dewison

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 17:08

    Thats the problem with doing it wet, you end up with lots of mini reservoirs around the lettering 😕 Easy to apply, but getting the water is a thankless task 😕

    This kind of stuff is my what I do on a regular basis, its easy work and good money. The way I’d tackle it is to apply the white dry, then get your blue so its approximately the right size and apply some app tape to it. Rip off the backing tape at one end (either literally or do it with scissors if you feel a little wierd about ripping stuff) then tack it to the right side of the window (left side if you’re left handed). Its always easier with a spare pair of hands, but because you’re applying it sideways, you’ve got a very short area to apply as you’re going along. Once its on, tear off the app tape from the blue, and go along with a sewing needle (2 inch ones with the fine point are cool) and pop any little bubbles, pushing the air out with your finger.

    Its a confidence thing, if you believe you’ll c@ck up, you will. Just grab the bull by the horns and have a lash at it. If you do make mistakes, fair play, its a bit more work, but you’ll get the hang of it in no time at all.

    Money wise, it depends on how long it takes you. I charge by the time it takes plus the materials and a small profit margin. It shouldn’t take you any more than an hour or two, and materials should be relatively cheap.

    Cheers, Dewi

  • John Harding

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 17:43

    Dex i would have a go dry nowadays, but when your new to it its easier to do the white dry and the blue wet.

    On the pc screen draw a rectangle to the exact window dimensions, then place your text where required, then place a white square in each corner of the window pane area, when on site its easy to ensure the white text is in the correct position because youl have a square in each corner of the window (remember to remove the squares once in place) before going over the top with the blue.

    The logo looks to have a graduation but I assume youre doing as cut vinyl layers.

    John 😀

    As for cost half day labour plus materials and travel

    And remeber to cut in reverse 😳

  • magpie

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 20:08

    Would no one else be tempted to apply this externally,it looks to be out of
    harms way for the most part, so why make things difficult?

    Devils advocate (Peter)

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 20:17

    I too would be tempted to apply this externally – it solves the problem of ridges around the white lettering. I also like Jems suggestion to create an outline which also prevents the problem with ridges this is something I will keep in mind myself for the future.

  • Jon Fields

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 20:32

    You could perhaps fit the blue on the inside & the white on the outside to create a shadow effect..due to the thickness of the glass.(just a thought)

    cheers

    Jon
    😀

  • Derek Heron

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 21:05

    thanks for the replys
    everything has to go on the inside
    the graphic with the gradient is to be suplied
    i have to cut and fit blue and white i am confident with the white
    i like the idea for the register squares i have tried putting small stuff on the window here wet but it comes off with transfer tape taking ages to dry out i will try some larger sections with some waste blue what about getting it tight in the corners
    all good advice keep it coming
    cheers everyone dont know what my neighbours think (blue windows)
    cheers

  • Bill Dewison

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 21:12

    Once you’ve applied all the blue, you can tidy up the corners Dex, you trim them in with a knife. If you use a felt squeegee, trim on the diagonal in the corners, then push the vinyl into the edges top, sides and bottom, then either use a steel ruler to guide you, or cut by hand. I use both methods, just depends on the window frame, some are in a horrible state, so you have to cut by hand.

    Cheers, Dewi

  • magpie

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 21:14

    Dex, getting it tight in to the corners can be problematic. Best to trim 2 to
    3mm short of the corners using a rule or some other device you feel
    comftable with.

    Peter

  • magpie

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 21:16

    Darn that Dewi’s fast on the Submit key – lol

  • John Harding

    Member
    18 April 2005 at 21:43

    Dex – I fit vinyl slightly oversize then trim diagonally out from the corners as Dewi suggests, then use a hard squeegee (I like the ones from graphityp with a handle on them) and use this to keep the knife blade tight to the window frame then move both together along frame edge.

    Nice sharp blade, remove excess jobs a goodun – remember to clean all around frames before hand

    If that doesnt make sense tell me and i will post photo tomorrow

    John

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