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Reflective material ? How to work with it ?
I have been asked to price for a job that requires me to do something like this to the back of a Peugeot Van . The van is white and it carries a rally car so wants the full back done like this. How would I tackle this job, is it flood coated all yellow first with Red cut stripes? I have read on some posts that a normal cutter will not cut this type of material.
Also any suppliers that will sell me what i need and not full rolls. Do they come in strips etc. Is there different grades . i.e 3-5 year 5-7 year? I’m only pricing this as if its to expensive the customer may not want to go for it. Should i be thinking of subbing out this work and just fitting it?
Thanks Tim
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If you are going to use the regular type of reflective then it’s easy enough to do yourself. Cut a load of stripes and make the kit up as you go along, trimming on the vehicle (!)
If it needs to be Diamond Grade or similar then it should really be edge sealed and you’d probably be better off buying the kit ready made.
http://www.PVLUK.com is one supplier of finished kits, there are others.
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Does it come in rolls of say 6" in yellow and red then just fit by hand you mean? Any suppliers for the regular type? I don’t think it needs to be diamond grade.
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Most vinyl suppliers sell reflective and will cut it to whatever width you want. I tend to cut a load of strips by hand. It depends how much you need, it’s surprising how many metres of stripe are needed to chevron the back of a van.
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quote Andy Gorman:it’s surprising how many metres of stripe are needed to chevron the back of a van.Isn’t it just! 😀
We use 120mm stripes, so we get five out of a 610mm roll.
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Reflectives Uk do 3m diamond @ around £9.50 per Metre in 150mm width and they do part rolls, so you can buy only what you need, I use oracle flourescent for the other stripe, and I would flood coat first. if using 3m (some poor sod has to remove it,)
Hexis also do a Reflexite daybright, but although more expensive by the 150m roll, 25m minimum but it can be re-positioned and doesnt need edge sealingBut as a guide no less than £400 for the job with "proper reflective"
Peter
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Hi
if i remember correctly yellow should just be standard vinyl not reflective or fluorescent. can’y lay me hands on the lighting regs book at present but will look for it to check.Kev
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Kev extract from chapter 8
SPECIFICATIONS FOR VEHICLES
CONSPICUITY
Any vehicle stopping on the highway for works purposes or inspections should be of a conspicuous colour (e.g. yellow or white). A non-reflective yellow colour, No. 355 (lemon) to Table 1 of BS 381C: 1996
“Specification for colours for identification, coding and special purposes” is recommended.
Subject to the specific requirements of the following sections, any works vehicles that are used to protect the workforce or form part of the signing of the works should be of conspicuous colour and appropriate marking. This is particularly important for that part of the vehicle visible to drivers and prescribed as part of any sign mounted on the vehicle.
In addition, on high-speed roads, all vehicles stopping on the highway for works purposes or inspections shall be equipped with high visibility rear markings. High visibility rear markings should comprise either:
a) signing to diagram 7403, or
b) the alternative light arrow sign in accordance with Section O10.8, or
c) chevron markings comprising alternate strips of fluorescent orange-red retroreflective material and fluorescent yellow non-retroreflective material, of not less than 150mm width each, inclined at 45-60° to the horizontal and pointing upwards, or
d) a solid block of fluorescent orange-red retroreflective material.
The markings described in (c) and (d) above should cover as much of the rear-facing portion of the vehicle as possible without obscuring windows, vehicle lighting or registration plates.
Red retroreflective tape shall also be applied to all rear facing edges of open doors, guardrails and equipment lockers.
Where rear facing high visibility markings may be obscured by any device mounted on the vehicle (e.g. lorry-mounted crash cushion (LMCC) or cone laying adaptation), at any time that the vehicle is stopped on a high-speed road, additional markings complying with paragraph O5.2.3 (c) or (d) shall be applied to any face of the device which is displayed to the rear and other road users.
Works vehicles should be kept clean to maintain conspicuity.
Where vehicles are required to stop in a live carriageway to protect the scene whilst they make an initial assessment of an incident, the vehicle shall be fitted with appropriate high-conspicuity livery and enhanced warning lighting, complying with the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations, appropriate to the type of vehicle dealing with the incident. Note that alternate flashing rear facing red lights are not currently authorized for use on vehicles other than emergency service and traffic officers’ vehicles. Refer also to paragraph O7.2.74.
For all classes and speeds of road, any vehicle stopping on a highway for inspection or works purposes should be of a conspicuous colour and marking (refer to Section O5.2). It should be identifiable to traffic police (obviating the need for them to stop) by a sign “HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE” to diagram 7404 on or in the vehicle and facing the rear, and by any other vehicle identification scheme required by the overseeing organisation. The “HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE” sign should also be used on all-purpose
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Hi
this is from the government markings guide for escort vehicles but i’m sure it would be the same for all rear markings.13. To help alert other road users approaching the escort vehicle from the rear, high visibility markings shall be applied to the rear of the vehicle. These will be chevron markings of alternate red retroreflective material and yellow vinyl non-retroreflective material (or equivalent), each with a strip width of 250mm on vans and larger vehicles, and 150mm for cars and car-derived vans.
full doc can be found at
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/2619.aspxKev
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Kev
the specs above are for vehicles that have to stop on the roadside, where as escort vehicles dont usually stop,
anyway the whole reflective marking guides/legislation is a bit of a minefield, and regarding the original post, the job is actually not for a highways related vehicle so the the layout does not need to comply to legislation…. as far as I can work outPeter
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I think the job could be completed if i cut the shapes i need in yellow vinyl and apply the 150mm red reflective, Any ideas of which yellow to use, I have been using Avery 700 at the moment but will order in an alternative colour if the customer is happy to proceed . I really would like to complete this job as he then wants the rest of the van done, he just cant decide what he wants , I done sun strip and driver ID on the rally car at the weekend and they loved that so they have a few vans , cars motorbikes about them so may be further work.
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Peter
i agree i just find that its a useful starting point, escort vehicles carry markings to cover movement, stopped & entry via open doors.Kev
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We usually flood with vinyl then apply over the top. It makes removal much easier later on.
Peter
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Tim have a look at the site Andy mentioned – loads of info about the different materials
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I would flood with yellow first otherwise it will be a right pain to do.
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I’m with the flood coat yellow, and then add stripes brigade. 😀
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