• Paul P

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 09:49

    I’m also looking at one of these to use for number plates, small runs of business cards etc. The demo video available from various places on the net looks interesting, I’m hoping to fix up a demo from a local supplier in the next few days so i’ll let you know if it “does what it says on the tin”

    Paul

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 10:54

    not sure if this is the same thing, but i think i saw one of these in grafityps trade mag last night. (not sure if the same machine) but does offer all the same products you mention it does. business cards, number plates small signbs etc

    is this the same one guys? if so i can check out the ino when i get home tonight and post here or give you contact details.

  • Richard Urquhart

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 11:08

    sure is rob i ask grafitype for more imformation they sent me some paper work but not much more than in there mag i have watched the demo video and the printer looks like it gives good results any way may be paul can fill us in after hes had the demo thanks all
    rich

  • Lee Harris

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 11:40

    Hi

    The printer is an Oki 5100 (to be replaced by the 5200) Go and have a look at http://www.lgsigns.com These are the people who developed the programme to work with the Oki.

    Hope this helps
    Regards
    Lee

  • MARTY

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 19:08

    We have one of thses and have been using it for number plates for a short while.

    It works brilliant on black & white mode for number plates which we use to print onto clear acetate then laminate on the perspex and back off with the reflective. I don’t like the new method of using the front mounted plate system that a lot of dealers are using lasers for, they look absolute crap and come apart very quickly. We have also made labels in full colour but Iam still not sure of the claims of three years fade resistance.

  • MARTY

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 19:26

    One more thing to add…Rob one of these is advertised by one of your dealers on this web site !

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    14 July 2004 at 20:36

    oh right, i guess your right marty 😮 sorry guys..
    i guess this must be the smae machine for number plates paul sells. as marty says there is an advert on the lower left of the screen on homepage. i knew paul did a colour number plate machine etc but didnt realise it was for small signs etc etc also.. 😳 guess thats why the penny didnt drop.

  • Kevin Flowers

    Member
    15 July 2004 at 16:08

    Hi
    from what i can remember Paul was involved in developing this printer for this purpose. As well as plates they can print 4ft banners but i believe that there was a problem with static build up mif you printed repeatedly. Another point to watch out for these machines come with limited toner fill from new so you may be buying new toner sooner than you may think

    Kev

  • Dazzel

    Member
    16 July 2004 at 08:03

    Any help/advice i can give ? let me know. We have worked on this for 2 years…it works !!!
    We have just supplied 3,000 a4 signs to Network rail using this system.
    It works…it makes money for very little investment.
    Life…Oki tell us c 5 years uv on colour print.
    Lovely little bit of kit.

    Paul

    Oh and plates ! yup does them all…….That is all UK sizes and in 3D font as well..

  • Paul P

    Member
    16 July 2004 at 11:40

    Questions for paul/dazzel or marty, are the printers as supplied with these sign making pakages modified in any way from standard spec?

    Do you have to use a special media for vinyl labels etc, or could I print on a4 size std 5-7yr vinyl?

    As I already use corel draw/signlab would I need to purchase the package including the lg plate software? Likewise I already have a number plate roller, so could I just purchase a printer, the relavent plate blanks & materials, pay my £40 registration fee, then set up a template in corel that conforms to the legal spacing/letter size etc and produce plates?

    My demo is arranged for monday so I guess i’ll find out the full details then, but it certainly looks like a very interesting piece of kit.

    Regards
    Paul

  • Tim Painter

    Member
    16 July 2004 at 11:46

    Can’t see the prints lasting 5 years (?)
    I bet they will be faiding after 1 year.

    Well I’m not convinced, but hey might be a good repeat business idea. Aslong as the client has a terrible memory as to when they last ordered.

  • Dazzel

    Member
    16 July 2004 at 11:51

    Do you have to use a special media for vinyl labels etc, or could I print on a4 size std 5-7yr vinyl?

    You need special approved media or you will damage the machine..I know as it’s cost us many machines during trials 🙂

    As I already use corel draw/signlab would I need to purchase the package including the lg plate software? Likewise I already have a number plate roller, so could I just purchase a printer, the relavent plate blanks & materials, pay my £40 registration fee, then set up a template in corel that conforms to the legal spacing/letter size etc and produce plates?

    To be honest software is great for plates and quick signs, so although you can use any design package it’s far quicker than even corel as all the templates are there for you to use.

    My advice is don’t look too close at what the system costs ! in minute detail – look more at “what it can make you” and believe me it will be worth it.

    If your seeing Mark ? tell him Hi from me

    Paul

    ps, if you have a roller already ! no need for a new one. This will save a bob or Two…..

  • Paul P

    Member
    16 July 2004 at 12:48

    Thanks for the info, yep its mark thats coming on monday, will pass on the greetings.

  • Richard Urquhart

    Member
    13 August 2004 at 19:45

    could you let me know how things went with the demo please
    and have you been quoted any prices ??

  • Paul P

    Member
    13 August 2004 at 21:49

    sorry rich, I had the demo then jobs have piled in & posting a follow up on here sort of got “swept under the mat” 😳

    Price quoted was £1350+vat inc jig & roller, I was offered the option of spreading the cost over two months.
    The software supplied is at first glance basic and limited in its capabilities, but I think this is so it looks simple & easy to use for a wide range of operators not used to professional sign making software.

    All functions you would require for number plates and basic safety signs etc are all in there somewhere, and as its basically just a std printer you could always design more complex signs in corel etc.

    The method of plate construction is now different to that shown in the demo video, a plate now only consists of 2 parts: the printed clear acetate
    top sheet (printed reversed so image is behind the surface of the plate) which is then laminated via the jig and roller onto what looked to be a moulded adhesive faced reflective plastic number plate blank.
    I can see that this would reduce costs and time to produce, but the bond between the two parts didnt seem very strong and could be peeled apart and re applied easily, though i was told this “grabs” with time as the adhesive cures.

    The printers resoloution looked good and the prints were bonded well to the acetate. I was told these printers are modified by oki to “tweak” the temperature settings making for a better print onto vinyls and the clear film. I was also advised that I must be running windows xp for the printer to operate, maybe someone could confirm this?

    I’m not taking the plunge just yet for two reasons, if i have to run xp that means setting up a new pc dedicated to this printer, as at the moment i still use signlab 4.95 which wont run on xp so i’m told. also most of my potential number plate business would be motorcycle plates and i’m not sure about how well the new style plate construction will stand up to the usual barrage of muck and chain lube etc that bike plates seem to get covered in! 🙂
    That said, I’m sure that this system could be a good money earner should you have the right jobs for it and its one to keep an eye on.

    Regards

    Paul

  • Richard Urquhart

    Member
    14 August 2004 at 08:02

    Paul thanks for finding the time to reply ,its funny you saying about bond on number plates because i also run a car body shop and just lately have noticed a number of cars with number plate on which seem to be separating as if water is getting between acrylic,i think the price for this printer is fair ,i have seen the printer on the net for 5001 5002 5300 for max £500 plus vat ,so my question is are they the same

  • Dazzel

    Member
    14 August 2004 at 09:31

    Hi Guys,

    A little more info for you.

    1) Bond – The adhesive used to bond is heat cured so it matures and bonds over time. Initially is it designed “low tack” so as if you have a problem in lamination it can be removed and re-fixed. This is the 2nd adhesive to be used..1st one was too strong and people moaned that they could not re-fix and therefore waste materials when they bodged it up.

    2) Printer. In basic terms it’s the same you see advertised everywhere. Oki have worked with us in “Tweeking” some settings to allow us to use the special media supplied for signs/plates etc. We have also their support that their service engineers and warranty will be valid for this application via our customers. It is NOT under normal terms. So if you buy one “off the shelf” without our serial number and use it with “funny materials” you may have a major problem when it seizes up.

    3)The cost is the same from any UK distributor.

    If you are making 1,000’s of plates for car dealers etc i reccomend Thermal. If you want to make serious money out of SHOW PLATES then i would recommend this print system. Bikes/cars/squares etc can all be achieved & 3D digits & Carbon &&&&&&&.

    4) XP – only required if you run LG software. It will run on any windows package with any design and print software ie corel.

    Hope this helps

    Paul

  • Richard Urquhart

    Member
    14 August 2004 at 13:41

    hi Paul thanks for that explanation who would be the bet supplier to use for me in in croydon surrey and would like to see a demo first and prices for vinyl ,toner’s,etc etc
    thanks in advance
    rich

  • Dazzel

    Member
    14 August 2004 at 14:20

    Rich,

    That would be me :lol1:

    We are in Gravesend, fancy a drive and i can show you everything ? or i can arrange a limited demo with you.

    Paul

  • Richard Urquhart

    Member
    14 August 2004 at 21:50

    paul,
    that sounds like a top offer i will call you monday and find a time that would be best for you ,its not far from me so i will come to you
    thanks for help
    rich

  • Dazzel

    Member
    15 August 2004 at 07:53

    Great, await your call

    Paul

  • James@MP

    Member
    7 September 2004 at 13:15

    Does anyone have anymore information on this printer? Is it any colour, im not going to be printing pictures just text in different colours. The oki 5100 is currently 379 ex vat, and the 5200 is 419 ex the vat but doesnt have such a good paper facility only goes upto 120g where the 5100 goes upto 203. Im suprised grafitype recomend it for the cc-210 vinyl cause thats 290g but im new to this. Any help advice or telling offs would be of great help

  • the prisoner

    Member
    7 September 2004 at 23:38

    The oki 5200 uses the same materials as the 5100 and 5400 etc.

    We use the grafitype laser vinyl with the 5200 and it works very well – it also surprised us by printing beautifully on 280 micron card!

  • James@MP

    Member
    8 September 2004 at 00:01
    quote the prisoner:

    The oki 5200 uses the same materials as the 5100 and 5400 etc.

    We use the grafitype laser vinyl with the 5200 and it works very well – it also surprised us by printing beautifully on 280 micron card!

    What sort of stuff do you print on the vinyl, pictures ? signs ? text ?

  • the prisoner

    Member
    8 September 2004 at 22:42

    We’ve only had the printer a few weeks, but we’ve printed small text only stickers and full colour clip-art graphics on clear vinyl that would have been impossible to cut on the plotter.

    Haven’t actually used the white vinyl yet, but will soon.

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