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Problem with "signwriting" on doors…….
Hi all,
got a bit of a problem with a job i`m doing.
Have been asked to do some standard signs on doors in pubs. "gents" " ladies" etc..
Apart from turning up Thurs as agreed with the "designer" and finding out the doors i was due to paint on hadn`t been repainted. So i rearranged for today and set about my job.
For this i was using a vinyl mask (stencil) and one-shot paint.
i know some of you traditional people will frown on this but i was in a rush and not fully competent on using oil and brush freehand yet. (For those that don`t know i`m a chalkboard artist and can use poscas freehand all day long)
The prob i`m having was on one of the doors as i was removing the application paper some of the stain/varnish came away with it. No probs i thought as i will just touch up afterwards. Unfortunately once i then came to remove the mask it took away even more stain/varnish and with that the enamel i`d just put down!.
It appears to me this set of doors just hadn`t had enough time to set yet (although felt perfectly dry) as some others i`d done in this pub were no problem and no paint was lifting off.
any ideas or tips for future ??
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i’m not a hand painter but i would give it the same amount of time as when applying vinyl, i always recommend to the customer that we need at least 7 days for the paint to go off and even then, i always point out that if the base coats etc have not been properly done, that there’s a chance the paint will lift off, no liability etc.
i know the horse has bolted but it’s worth knowing for future use.
i put stickers on an old walk through Van that was converted to a burger wagon last year, it had been painted with emulsion and a roller! after removing the application tape i had to fold it up rather than screw it into a ball, all the paint had come with it, the decals stuck great, unfortunately the paint they were on didn’t, half the letters etc went back on with superglue! i saw the van in my recovery customers yard some weeks later with the front smashed in, i hope it wasn’t the bonnet decal flying up and blocking his view that caused it!
Hugh
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thanks for that, will bear in mind for future.
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Hi Chris, I would say that the problem is the painter hasn’t rubbed down or keyed the paint between coats.
Not much help now I know but in the future give a price to paint the substrate yourself then at least you’ll know it’s been done correctly.
(Afterthought) did you use normal vinyl or masking vinyl?
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hi, i use exhibition vinyl. As soon as i`ve done outline i then take off straight away.
used this process a lot of times over last few years and never had a problem like it appeared today.
the door was painted in like a wood stain varnish which i`ve done this process on before without these problems. The company i`ve done it for really have rushed this refurb and i presumed two days would of been long enough for the door to dry. Lesson learned methinks.
Please correct me if i`m wrong but even if an experienced oil signwriter had done this job they would still of used masking tape for the top of the letters to ensure a straight line?! Reason i ask is that i then tested a piece of normal masking tape in an area not seen and even that pulled away the varnish layer.
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We had a similar problem last year when sign writing a converted coach which had just been resprayed days earlier. The vinyl went on fine but the application tape (medium tack) caused the paint to go a matt shade, i rang the customer to explain we wouldn’t carry on until it had dried out properly but when i returned after dinner it had flattened off and was gloss again…. strange.
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quote Chris.Sullivan:Please correct me if i`m wrong but even if an experienced oil signwriter had done this job they would still of used masking tape for the top of the letters to ensure a straight line?! Reason i ask is that i then tested a piece of normal masking tape in an area not seen and even that pulled away the varnish layer.
Would depend on the lettering style but for this type of work more than likely not.
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I don’t think exhibition vinyl is the same as paintmask.
Proper paintmask is very low tack. Having said that, I have had the same problem with varnish coming off. Poor preparation is usually the reason. (The decorator’s, not yours.)
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