Printing onto singled coloured vinyl with VERSACAMM?

[Shane Drew]

I print black onto yellow 3M reflective wth my roland if that helps

shane

[Kate and Danny]

if it was to go on a vehicle how long do you think the print would last?

[Chris Wool]

i use eco sol inks on to many solid colour vinyls (image perfect 5700 ) but you will have tremendous colour shifts use them to advantage if its going on to a customers van then laminate it – on my own car i never laminate anything sofar 12 months still fine but i know how its treated and cleaned .

chris

[Shane Drew]

quote Kate:

if it was to go on a vehicle how long do you think the print would last?

really depends on the treatment. As chris says. Mine is printed using techink solvents inks, but I rarely laminate on vehicles, I have had a bus ‘out there’ for 6 months, unlaminated, and it looks great still, but the driver is as fussy as they come.

I have had an unlaminated print at a shopping centre, and every tom d!ck & harry has tried to deface the thing in 4 weeks. Point is, they have had to make an effort, and it is hard to use an act of vandalism as a starting point.

Not sure why you are asking, but I suppose the short answer is that it should last a while given the right circumstances.

Interestingly, I tried printing eco sol on 3M reflective and it looked pathetic. No one can tell me why, but the solvent inks print fine

Cheers

[chorley signs]

We have recently done a run of black text on yellow vinyl warning signs- the results were patchy on the first couple but the rest seemed fine

Rob

[Shane Drew]

quote chorley signs:

We have recently done a run of black text on yellow vinyl warning signs- the results were patchy on the first couple but the rest seemed fine

Rob

Rob, from experience the patchy bits are probably from where you handled it. I always use cotton gloves.

Just a thought

Cheers

[Gordon Forbes]

Came across this in my last printout nice thumb marks on the edge of the roll at both sides Dohhh!!! luckilly didn’t need those bits.

Goop

[Robert Lambie]

i know Andrew regularly prints onto colour vinyls black onto yellow is common. yesterday he did some spheres black blending into silver. this was printed black onto the silver vinyl. i think it was oracal 751 cast.
like has been said i noticed he had an error print as he had a hand mark were he had loaded the roll like forbie says, so started again.
all this said, this was solvent machine not eco-solvent.
taxis are not laminated and last 12 months, though if you look close you do see a fair bit of deterioration on them, but these vehicles are in the city all day and night and do get the allot of abuse.
care is always a major player…. if not laminating have some sorta disclaimer though.. better safe than sorry.

[chorley signs]

quote dsi:

the patchy bits are probably from where you handled it

😳 hadn’t thought of that one- we’ve been wondering why the first few inches come out ropey!

Thanks

Rob

[Chris Wool]

when i have a flood colour type print to do i always try and do it straight after another job so the dust etc has not had time to settle yet if i remove the vinyl then its straight in to a bag to protect. and wanting the door open in the fine weather – keep hovering more often.

chris

[Steve Dawson]

guys/gals , can i ask a question here…..

I’m very new still , only messed with vinyl cutting so far…

i see vinyl printing may be of use to me though…

so my daft question

do these printers print onto normal (cutting) vinyl ?

if so , whats is an entry level vinyl printer (no cutter) ?

SD

[Robert Lambie]

about £5000 and yes they will print onto normal vinyl. but there are some vinyls better than others for it.

[Steve Dawson]

that’s just not fair !!! (one less 0 would be nice)

thanks rob , the wife wouldn’t have me spend that much for one minute

is it the right way to go for full color pub sign’s and A boards…( no plans on doing bus’s etc) ? , or am i missing a cheaper option !

SD

[chorley signs]

quote Robert Lambie:

yes they will print onto normal vinyl

However I have learned not so long ago that mixing cutting and printing stock isn’t such a great idea unless you handle your vinyl with cotton gloves and keep it fairly dust-free all the time

Rob 😀

[Robert Lambie]

quote chorley signs:

quote Robert Lambie:

yes they will print onto normal vinyl

However I have learned not so long ago that mixing cutting and printing stock isn’t such a great idea unless you handle your vinyl with cotton gloves and keep it fairly dust-free all the time

Rob 😀

not sure i follow mate, no matter if its cast, calendar coated or “digital printing” vinyl. it always needs to be in clean envirment and caution taken when handling.
just comes with the territory i guess… 😕

[chorley signs]

quote Robert Lambie:

quote chorley signs:

quote Robert Lambie:

yes they will print onto normal vinyl

However I have learned not so long ago that mixing cutting and printing stock isn’t such a great idea unless you handle your vinyl with cotton gloves and keep it fairly dust-free all the time

Rob 😀

not sure i follow mate, no matter if its cast, calendar coated or “digital printing” vinyl. it always needs to be in clean environment and caution taken when handling.
just comes with the territory i guess… 😕

In our place I do ALL the print and Dad does ALL the cutting- this means that, unless I am using special inkjet vinyl, the roll I pick up with my (brand new 😳 ) cotton gloves will have been handled 5 times by my Dad who doesn’t need to wear gloves if he is cutting, also dust is much less of an issue with cut letters than it is with print so he takes less care over keeping it ‘sterile’.

So yes although our vinyl is all kept clean it isn’t up to the standard required for print. All I was trying to do was point out the pitfalls that someone accustomed to cutting can come across.

Rob

[Shane Drew]

quote Robert Lambie:

quote chorley signs:

quote Robert Lambie:

yes they will print onto normal vinyl

However I have learned not so long ago that mixing cutting and printing stock isn’t such a great idea unless you handle your vinyl with cotton gloves and keep it fairly dust-free all the time

Rob 😀

not sure i follow mate, no matter if its cast, calendar coated or “digital printing” vinyl. it always needs to be in clean envirment and caution taken when handling.
just comes with the territory i guess… 😕

You’ll find also guys that if you buy vinyl for digital print use, the manufacturer will guarrantee that it has not been touched by ungloved hands. Normal cutting vinyl does not have that gurarantee, so will more likely have issues when it comes to printing.

So whilst Rob L is technically correct, there are in fact differences when it comes to supply.

[Stephen Morriss]

So does this mean that the Cadet will also print onto cutting vinyl (hand prints exepted) and how well does it fix it’s self to the vinyl.

Steve

[Shane Drew]

quote Bowber:

So does this mean that the Cadet will also print onto cutting vinyl (hand prints exepted) and how well does it fix it’s self to the vinyl.

Steve

Eco solvents are a bit risky. Solvent inks are fine.

[Ian Higgins]

Hi,
We use the cadet to print onto mactac 9800 quite often, Usually cream vinyl then various brown colours in print. You must remember that printing onto coloured vinyl does effect the colour of the ink going down compared with white vinyl, so always do a small sample print first.

We have to do a lot of Haz Chem on orange reflective and now have this sorted.. really speeds the job up compared with when we had to cut the black by hand and overlay iy.
Cheers
Ian

[chorley signs]

quote dsi:

if you buy vinyl for digital print use, the manufacturer will guarrantee that it has not been touched by ungloved hands.

I didn’t know that- and haven’t noticed any of the manufacturers mentioning it either.

Thanks

Rob

[Shane Drew]

quote chorley signs:

quote dsi:

if you buy vinyl for digital print use, the manufacturer will guarrantee that it has not been touched by ungloved hands.

I didn’t know that- and haven’t noticed any of the manufacturers mentioning it either.

Thanks

Rob

Avery, Oracal and 3M Reps have all confirmed the glove treatment here mate. Have not seen it in writing tho I must confess. Oracal is fully robotic anyway, but even our distributors use the gloves for digital print.

If you buy reflective here from one supplier, if you state it is for printing, it is slightly dearer as they have to guarantee no finger marks.

[Robert Lambie]

yeh i think your shane, re-different approach to manufacturing. in all honesty, again like you said with oracal. eveything manufactured,reeled etc by machine. the only time i think you would get finger marks is if you were buying a split log or a few metres then the guy has to unwind and put onto new core. even then its machines that measure it out. ide expect its going to be only the first and last few feet of a part roll that would be solied, but i could be wrong again. 😀