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Motorcycle Decals, your views please?
Why is it that Bikers expect me to charge them less to recreate a one off decal than the manufacturers charge for a set "off the shelf"
I had an enquiry this morning and when I asked had they tried the manufacturer to supply them with new decals I was told yes – but they’re too expensive!!
Just saying 😕
With peace and love to all bikers :thumbup2:
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Had it countless times too Phill. I remember one guy saying "but look at the size of them, and your going to charge me that?" he was looking for about 6 sponsors logos to be recreated and stuck up each side of his bike. but each logo had to digitised and recreated. 🙄
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There was me thinking it was only the Bikers around here who were like that 🙄
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quote Robert Lambie:….but each logo had to digitised and recreated. 🙄And we’ve all heard – "can’t you just photocopy them or something"…
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i have a picture on the phone you can copy or print from 🙁
they are down south as well
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our best one was " you just press a button"….
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Isn’t this jpeg suitable for my logo, I copied it off the ‘net (76k thumbnail ripped from copyrighted stock image sites)
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I know the image has a watermark . . . couldn’t you just ‘rub it out before you print it?’ :doh:
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Reminds me of one last year:
C: Sending you our logo
Me: Thanks, File received, but it only seem to be 200kb in file size, print size is very small, looks like a thumbnail preview, can you send high res file.
C: Sending
Me: Nope, still small file.
C: We don’t understand what wrong, files been copied straight from Microsoft Word clipart…… 🙄 -
Here’s one from today:
Hello, can you help
I am looking for someone to produce some stickers for me using the attached image The size would be 60mm X 20mm printed black on clear high adhesive vinyl with as many individual stickers placed on a sheet around A5 size.
Is this something you could do ? Oh and by the way we race model cars in a championship called 540 Racing.
Let me know if anyone wants the contact details 🙄
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Have you not offered to do it for free Gary in exchange for some free advertising??? 😉 :2thumbs:
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This thread is great! It’s also happened to me plenty of times.
I had someone call in once with a very intricate graphic down one side of a motorbike, applied new at the factory, but the other side had been removed because of damage and re-painted. He wanted it replacing…..
‘They cost a fortune on eBay, can’t you just scan it??’ Yes mate, normally we just use our scanner for copying A4 invoices, so a 750cc Suzuki should be no problem.
moron.
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quote David Hammond:Have you not offered to do it for free Gary in exchange for some free advertising??? 😉 :2thumbs:
Yeah so I get more sh!t enquiries!! Result 🙄 :lol1:
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you have just done some zx6r stickers for me but you have done them the same, i want one for the left and a reversed one for the right. the R is at the wrong end.
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quote Chris Wool:you have just done some zx6r stickers for me but you have done them the same, i want one for the left and a reversed one for the right. the R is at the wrong end.
Much like a HIGHLY irate customer calling me for everything…
"I specifically asked for an ‘A’ board with an arrow to point to my shop – I’ve got one side pointing left and one side pointing right – rant – rant feckless idiot…"
Me… "put it outside your shop with one side pointing to your shop and if you’re not happy with the other side – the ‘A’ board is free.
..Later – a much apologetic customer…Uh, sorry, I’m an idiot…"
Dave
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had that to Phill …..even trying to match bike paint colours really not worth the hassle
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quote Chris Wool:you have just done some zx6r stickers for me but you have done them the same, i want one for the left and a reversed one for the right. the R is at the wrong end.
In years gone by I was a very active biker. And had developed something of a national reputation for "back to original" bike graphics. It started with a mate’s bike, then a few more restored classics……eventually I was producing rip-off Suzuki and Honda decal sets for the official dealer in town (they waited too long for the originals!)
One day a bloke comes in with a lovingly repaired and polished Yamaha XT500 tank. And a small picture from a late 70’s bike magazine. "Can you do this?"
Me: No problem. Give price, and tell him to collect the tank in 15 minutes. It is only a black vinyl cut decal.
Client picks up the tank. Smiles from ear to ear. It looks EXACTLY like the original! Then he turns the tank around, and his face drops. "This is wrong. The "Y" should be at the front of the tank, like in the picture – and the other side"
I thought he was joking, but soon realized he was dead serious. "You read from left to right, sir" still did not do it. I then took him outside where my Suzuki was parked. "See, one side the "s" faces the front, and the other side the "I" faces front"
Client (now fairly blown-up. "THIS IS FOR A YAMAHA, NOT A SUZUKI"
I am not one for conflict. So I told him to come back 15 minutes later. I mirrored the righthand side lettering. Client looks, and you can see him blush red. "You were right the first time. So I tell him once again to come back in 15.
But I did charge him for 3x the original quote…..he paid, to ashamed to complain 😀
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I specifically asked for an ‘A’ board with an arrow to point to my shop – I’ve got one side pointing left and one side pointing right – rant – rant feckless idiot…"
well then its still wrong if the guy is sitting looking at it on the pavement and ones pointing away from the shop
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I had a guy years ago call me on a Saturday (when i used to work from home) He was desperate for a banner to go on a float later that day for Christmas parade. He went on and on begging for me to do it. He then said "i have artwork it won’t take you five minutes". I felt sorry for him and he arrived 20minutes later with a business card. I could have cried. Took me over an hour to sort out and then he told me he was £20.00 short on what id asked for. So glad i work away from home now.
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quote Brian Little:I specifically asked for an ‘A’ board with an arrow to point to my shop – I’ve got one side pointing left and one side pointing right – rant – rant feckless idiot…”
well then its still wrong if the guy is sitting looking at it on the pavement and ones pointing away from the shop
Like this Brian…
Looking at them – you have one left & one right (what his rant was about)…put in front of ‘shop’ as an ‘A’board and they ‘magically’ both point towards it.
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quote Brian Little:I specifically asked for an ‘A’ board with an arrow to point to my shop – I’ve got one side pointing left and one side pointing right – rant – rant feckless idiot…”well then its still wrong if the guy is sitting looking at it on the pavement and ones pointing away from the shop
I think your more of a customer than a professional ! Brian
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hmm Mr Rogers your ecuse would work if it was an "A" board as you clearly say in your post Mr Rogers ….but it clearly isnt is it Mr Rogers its seperate panels which would easely be mixed up by a customer 😀 You didnt refer to the product as "them" but "it" which leaves me to the point have you quickly drawn these up to save face 😀 😀 😀 I Rest my case your Honer
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I think your more of a customer than a professional ! Brian….eh thanks for that
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He clearly said "A Board" not separate panels so I stand by my "customer"
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yep your right martin thats exactly my point he did infact say it was an a frame one item . Dave didnt say it was panels !! . if the customer is looking at his board and one arrow is pointing to his shop and the othere is pointing to the road then its wrong !! if the guy then phoned him up and and said he had made a mistake then its panels …inserts if you like then i canunderstand that but as i said before we were told its an a frame in which case its been put on wrong at workshop
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Brian this is exactly what the post is about…..This is like talking to the customer all over again !!!!!
The customer was given an a board it does not matter if it was put together on one double sided board or two separate panels.
One panel or one side had an arrow pointing LEFT and one panel or side had an arrow pointing RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT HE HAD AND THIS IS RIGHT, AND HE SAID ITS WRONG. What don’t you understand !!!!! -
quote Brian Little:yep your right martin thats exactly my point he did infact say it was an a frame one item . Dave didnt say it was panels !! . if the customer is looking at his board and one arrow is pointing to his shop and the othere is pointing to the road then its wrong !! if the guy then phoned him up and and said he had made a mistake then its panels …inserts if you like then i canunderstand that but as i said before we were told its an a frame in which case its been put on wrong at workshop
No, that’s not what the guy or I said! – I said "one side pointing right, one side pointing left", not ‘towards & away’ – which is exactly what I supplied on an ‘A’ board hence my need to tell him to put it outside his shop and give him the opportunity to realise that when you stand in front of said ‘A’ board, ‘one left’ + ‘one right’ does actually both point in the same direction. (towards his shop) 🙂
Dave
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quote Brian Little:hmm Mr Rogers your ecuse would work if it was an “A” board as you clearly say in your post Mr Rogers ….but it clearly isnt is it Mr Rogers its seperate panels which would easely be mixed up by a customer 😀 You didnt refer to the product as “them” but “it” which leaves me to the point have you quickly drawn these up to save face 😀 😀 😀 I Rest my case your Honer
Nah Brian, how else could I draw and show both sides of an ‘A’ board from the viewers perspective?
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This is brilliant. :lol1:
Exactly the same thing happened to me years ago when a client claimed I had supplied an A board with the arrows pointing away from the shop rather than at the shop.
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so did you supply flat panels for the guy you put on an existing A frame Dave? perhaps the frame was ok and he just wanted to replace the panels? thats the only way i can think that mistake can happen or did he just take it out of the car and think hang on here ?
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quote Brian Little:so did you supply flat panels for the guy you put on an existing A frame Dave? perhaps the frame was ok and he just wanted to replace the panels? thats the only way i can think that mistake can happen or did he just take it out of the car and think hang on here ?
There was NO mistake!!!
I supplied a fully complete ‘A’ board. One left arrow, one right arrow.
If you stand in front of it – that’s what you get irrespective of how they were mounted – you’ll always have, one left & one right.
Put it in front of a ‘shop’ and by the Power of Greyskull I declare that both arrows shall point in the same direction. ie, towards or away from the item.
If away – you turn it round 180 degrees. (Phil’s customer)
get a bit of paper – do a right arrow / left arrow one on each side – point an arrow, ANY arrow towards you and hey, presto…the other one point to you too.
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Brian’s new Avatar !
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David im not thick …im sure the bloody customer isnt either i know exactly what you mean im just finding it difficult how the customer would think they were wrong in the first place un less they were ………thanks for that martin
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Really Brian.
Customer picks it up and buggers off.
Customer takes completed ‘A’ board out of his car when 30 miles away and declares in no uncertain terms that I’m a, let’s use ‘flipping’ idiot as he’s just looked at both side of his board and one left, one right.
I, knowing what’s happened decide not to berate him, but rather give him the dignity of finding out that I have actually supplied an ‘A’ board that will point both side towards any object of his desire if he simply point one side, any side at it if he takes 30 seconds, gets off the phone and tries it out. I’m so confident that this revelation will be made that I offer to give him it for free if it’s actually wrong.
I got an apology and I got paid.
I’ve not been free of that basic error myself when making one before by just cutting 2 identical sides and sticking them on…cursing myself and having to fix it before it went out or forgetting to reverse cut window graphics…the list goes on.
Some customers just need to take a minute to think before going off on a rant…I deal with them daily.
I’ve never, ever said you were thick Brian but please don’t accuse me of supplying duff signs, that’s not nice.
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Customer to sign maker:- "Bloody hell, I wanted a sign with the arrow pointing right not left you idiot" 😕
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Phil that would be funny is it wasn’t true.
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sided board or two separate panels…..course it maters martin it maters a great deal if they were put on panels and the panels were left on one side left on the other ….or if you like right to right it would be wrong …..in this case David im sorry ive read the post wrong for some reason i thought youd actually delivered it on site …..anyway its cheered up the run up to christmas …….ps Martin if you want a better image to put a dunce cap on ill send you it …its just that as far as the dunce cap goes you could have taken into photoshop and made a better job 😀 😀
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Right last time !!! It does not matter if you have two separate signs with an arrow facing each way or a double sided panel with an arrow on each side facing different ways. Its still one arrow facing left and one arrow facing right !!!!!
Just done the dunce picture quick…..not being paid for it !
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quote David Hammond:Have you not offered to do it for free Gary in exchange for some free advertising??? 😉 :2thumbs:No… You charge and then also ask for free advertising.. ha!
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quote Brian Little:sided board or two separate panels…..course it maters martin it maters a great deal if they were put on panels and the panels were left on one side left on the other ….or if you like right to right it would be wrong …..in this case David im sorry ive read the post wrong for some reason i…. 😀 😀
It really doesn’t Brian. Panels as inserts, single sided swing sign, ‘A’ board…all the same. Try it, that way we can all sleep easy tonight knowing that you’re not residing in a temporal distortion (watching too many re-runs of Star Trek) or taking mind altering drugs.
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right david …listen here i am with just an A frame …..outside shop….one of the arrow is pointing to the right ,,,,,i then go round the other side of the board and also make the other one point to my right ….am i right that i now have a board with one arrow pointing to the shop and the other one away from the shop or is it me missing something 😀 😀
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Merry Christmas…..merry christmas to you to martin 😀
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Brian….draw an arrow pointing to the left on a piece of paper….draw another arrow pointing to the right on another piece of paper.. mark the top of both bits of paper so you know you have them the right way up
hold them back to back and they will both point in the same direction…i.e. the shop
Merry Christmas though, I’ve enjoyed this one
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aaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!
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glen your not looking at my post !!! ive said that please martin david and now glen before one of us dies here !!! the correct way would be arrow to right on one side arrow to left on other that way were pointing to the guys shop …ok were all agrred on that ok !!! now say i placed one arrow to the right on one side of board went round other side of board and pointed the other one to the right that would be one pointing to shop the other to road
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which i said in my post glen if youd read it
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I’m out 😮
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oh thats a shame glen try it one day …..see how happy customer would be ill try again one arrow to the right on one side and go round other side of board and also have an arrow pointing to the right i think youll find ones pointing to road the other to shop….mabe ill do you a line drawing tommorow
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oh thats a shame glen try it one day …..see how happy customer would be ill try again one arrow to the right on one side and go round other side of board and also have an arrow pointing to the right i think youll find ones pointing to road the other to shop….mabe ill do you a line drawing tommorow
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quote Glenn Sharp:Brian….draw an arrow pointing to the left on a piece of paper….draw another arrow pointing to the right on another piece of paper..
No that’s wrong, you’ll just confuse Brian – the first arrow needs to point to the right and the second arrow needs to point to the left not the other way around 😕
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oh thats a shame glen try it one day …..see how happy customer would be ill try again one arrow to the right on one side and go round other side of board and also have an arrow pointing to the right i think youll find ones pointing to road the other to shop….mabe ill do you a line drawing tommorow
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quote Brian Little:oh thats a shame glen try it one day …..see how happy customer would be ill try again one arrow to the right on one side and go round other side of board and also have an arrow pointing to the right i think youll find ones pointing to road the other to shop….mabe ill do you a line drawing tommorow
Not sure why you’re getting touchy with me Brian………I’d love to see that line drawing though :lol1:
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quote Brian Little:oh thats a shame glen try it one day …..see how happy customer would be ill try again one arrow to the right on one side and go round other side of board and also have an arrow pointing to the right i think youll find ones pointing to road the other to shop….mabe ill do you a line drawing tommorow
EXACTLY!!! Genuinely a case of TWO RIGHTS making a WRONG.
If they BOTH point RIGHT – one will be wrong.
But as I said – I made ONE LEFT & ONE RIGHT…so they are BOTH CORRECT!!!
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Lol
When explaining to a customer We do a quick hand drawing on a piece of paper then fold it in half.
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Never had that problem but then the customer has always seen the A board standing when they have come to collect it.
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quote Denise Goodfellow:Lol
When explaining to a customer We do a quick hand drawing on a piece of paper then fold it in half.
Thats the easy bit…..We’re trying to explain it to a SIGNMAKER !
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quote Martin Oxenham:quote Denise Goodfellow:Lol
When explaining to a customer We do a quick hand drawing on a piece of paper then fold it in half.
Thats the easy bit…..We’re trying to explain it to a SIGNMAKER !
…..very good martin 😀 Im well aware of the correct way to produce an A frame board to point the right direction .It was my fault from the start i picked dave up wrong thinking he had delivered the board to the customer and it was wrong. I thought the board was panels that had slotted in and been put in wrong . Ive since said sorry to david my mistake. Just you pointed out in one of your posts that this couldnt be done wrong. you seem to be ignoring my explantion so ill mabe do a drawing for you 😀
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If one arrow points left and one points right as the drawing shows and as was stated in the original post then no it is impossible to be wrong. It does not matter which way the panels go in it will not be wrong…..you just turn the sign around ! One points Left, One points Right. The only way you can possibly make it wrong is if both arrows point the same way, and the don’t and they never did so there is no way it could ever be wrong !
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for martin 😀 can you see what i mean martin ….try and imagine if these were panels…….then place one pointing to the right 😀 ….then go round other side of board and place the other arrow pointing to right…..am i going to fast here martin ? …hey presto its the wrong way 😀
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What are you talking about ???? This is totally irrelevant…. They never were both pointing to the right. I understood it right from the start ! You were the one defending the customer who was WRONG.
ONE WAS POINTING LEFT AS YOU LOOK AT IT AND ONE WAS POINTING RIGHT AS YOU LOOK AT IT ! Either way they will both be pointing in the same direction when put back to back. Two panels or double sided ! -
Merry Christmas all
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quote Brian Little:for martin 😀 can you see what i mean martin ….try and imagine if these were panels…….then place one pointing to the right 😀 ….then go round other side of board and place the other arrow pointing to right…..am i going to fast here martin ? …hey presto its the wrong way 😀
Well yeh….that’s the whole point of the thread hijack!
I did one LEFT & one RIGHT which was CORRECT but the dopey customer failed to get that if they both pointed RIGHT (or left) as you look at them, one would be wrong.
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:lol1: today my apprentice made up a new panel with arrows for our neighbours and guess what he did 😕
rookies 😉 :lol1:
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Gee Whizz. No wonder the British Empire shrunk from encompassing half the globe to an island slightly bigger than my grandpa’s farm. If you argue about this, just think how bad any political argument will get….
I’d hate to be a politician in your country!
All this arguing about a simple statement, perfectly understood by me, made by David.
BTW, David, thanks for introducing me to my new favourate say-thing. "By the power of Greyscull" – LOVE it. 😀
I’m going home now. I’m afraid Ill get lost. The roadsign, coming from the South, points to the right. The direction of my house. But coming from the North, it points to the left…..Does this mean I will have to circumnavigate the globe to get to my house, or is it still only 15 miles away 😕
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I don’t know why, but for some reason I’m reminded of this saying…
"When a person’s dead, they don’t know they’re dead, only other people know they’re dead…it’s the same with people that are stupid" 😕
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A very amusing thread.
How about this…. i supplied an A board with an arrow pointing the wrong way
the thing is nobody noticed my error for 3 months (:)
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