mercedes sprinter van

[Shane Drew]

751 is a poly too. 851 is a cast. I have used them both. I suggest 851 tho because the window channels are rather deep.

Done a couple of these sprinters. 3M 7725 is also a good one, but 851 is just as good if not better in some senses.

Rumour has it that 751 will be coming out as a cast next year some time. At the moment it is not a cast tho.

Cheers
Shane

[Steve Broughton]

as long as you don’t stretch or heat the vinyl across/into the channels 751 will be fine, I’ve used 651 with no problems before, its a matter of selecting the right vinyl for the design/application.

[Shane Drew]

This is from the Oracal web site

Oracal 851 Areas of Use
Specially developed for use with computer-aided sign making (CAS) equipment for the widest array of applications, including those with high durability requirements. Ideal for high quality vehicle and fleet graphics, it is a conformable film especially suitable for application on uneven and curved surfaces as well as on corrugations and rivets.

Oracal 751 Areas of Use
Specially developed for use on computer-aided sign making (CAS) equipment for lettering, marking and decoration with highest requirements for durability and solidity. Particularly suitable for high-quality vehicle and fleet graphics.

Oracal 651 Areas of Use
Due to its special release characteristics, this product is ideal for use on computer-aided sign making (CAS) equipment. Its special proprietary formulation ensures optimized stability and resistance to UV degradation. For medium-term outdoor applications. Indoor exposure is almost unlimited.

The 851 was developed for applications like the sprinter van that has deep recesses.

I have used both, and it may be because of our extreme heat here, but the 751 did ‘tent’ in the deep recesses over time. You may have to use a bit of heat to get the tape to go into these recesses, which is the reason I suggest 851. As steve rightly states, 751 has a problem with excessive heating and stretching. It has a lot to do with the ‘memory’ that polymeric tapes have, which is why cast vinyls are a better choice in areas that do require some ‘encouragement’ in to deep recesses.

Hope this is not too hard to understand.

Cheers
Shane

[Jon Fields]

thanks for your comments..
Ive not used this brand before..if i do apply heat..are we talking just a hairdryer reasonably close to it etc and working it into the crevases etc..
can you give me any on costings for such a van..i appreciate it depends
on the amount of vinyl used etc and logos etc..not sure yet what the cust
budget is..thing is cust states if this is ok.. theres a unit sign to make and an a- board/ banners..so could develop..

JON

[Steve Broughton]

Heard that loads of times before “if you give me a good price on this then you could get all my signage” ooh look there’s a flying pig 😕 prices are difficult mate and change from one part of the country to the other, I’d charge around £400 for a decent coverage on a lwb sprinter i.e. all vinyl (not digital) front rear and both sides

[John Harding]

Jon

Steves right dont mug yourself

Do a good job on the van and youl get the other stuff anyway, dont discount on a promise of more work.

Insist on full price on the van and you can always promise a discount on the other stuff when it happens!

John

[John Singh]

quote :

thing is cust states if this is ok.. theres a unit sign to make and an a- board/ banners..so could develop..

Now where did I hear that before? Hmmmmmm!

and he’ll have you doing the fleet
Mind you he’s only got one van but there’s twenty on the way 😀

John

[signworxs]

Jon I cant be that far from you being in the same county n all and I would be looking for between £4 and 500 on a lwb sprinter, thats an awful lot o vynull and a lot of application if its well covered. Again as steve says dont cut the cost with a promise of more work. Just say you will give a discount on the follow up work which of course you will factor in anyway.

[Jon Fields]

At least im armed with some price guidence..Apparently he’s come via a recommendation which is nice, but like you have all said..Ill stick to my guns (:) and quote a decent price for a decent job..im still a bit uncertain if to use polymeric or order cast to be safe..although i know cast is more expensive..

[Shane Drew]

quote solution signs:

..im still a bit uncertain if to use polymeric or order cast to be safe..although i know cast is more expensive..

you get what you pay for 🙂

if the poly does fail, how much more expensive will it be to do the job again? at least your cast material is the least likely to fail in the long term

I always find it best to go with the safest option, with a vehicle that has any level of difficulty with compund curves like the sprinter

[Robert Lambie]

if your going to cross recessed areas with large solid sections of vinyl and folding in and out recess is not possible, “for a sprinter” ide advise 851 cast as shane has said. you must heat, reheat etc as you would with a wrap vinyl though… your dealing with the same thing basicaly…

having said that, oracal now have their own vehicle wrap vinyl on the market. i havent used it yet but if its anything like their other vinyls it should be good!

i use 751 for almost all things basicaly (other than wraps) its great & conforms very well in shallow recess & the like… again, heat in same way a wrap vinyl is applied. i think i push my luck with 751… its not recommended to be applied in the fashion i sometimes do, but i get away with it. never have any problems. 651 on the other hand i would not.
ive only used it on occasion, but feel its more for flat panel work on vehicles, signs etc again, if you can fold say a latter in and out a recess, apply heat etc ide imagine it would be fine. but i wouldnt recommend stretching.

[Jon Fields]

who would you say is the best supplier of oracal vinyls. (?)

JON

[Robert Lambie]

europoint display. click logo on home page for contact details.