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Layout help Needed please with an equestrian sign?
Please may I call upon you all once more to lend a hand, this is quite an important job for me, whilst talking with the customer he actually said "no expense spared" this is a first for me and I would say quite rare to hear in most devonian towns!!! 😮
Okay the request was as follows,
Grange Equestrian Centre On a 5ft x 3ft board, with a horse Jumping over the Lettering, also the top of the horse sort of pertruding from the top of signboard. Also a couple of phone numbers at bottom of sign, he was a bit vague with this!, I should have asked him to clarified, but I was still in shock over the "no expense spared".
Gong off the Layout part (sorry should be in a different forum but thought I’d keep it together). I suggested he used ryno-bond for the board, remembering it being mention a few times here. Ive never actually used anything else apart from plastic, so is jigsawing around the horse going to be a problem for me? Also he doesnt want screws through the sign, he wants runners stuck on the back like with road signs, I see that cherwells sell these, but they dont sell the 4 inch square post clips I will need. (the posts are already there for the existing sign).
Think thats just about it, anyway heres my attempt, realy would love to hear any advice/critisms. This is completely new to me so Im sure any information would be very helpfull to me 😀 😀 😀
Thank you
Lawrence
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Ohh forgot to mention, Customer specified that he wanted everything black on the white board, I know I hav’nt done this but I exported to a friends version of coral (to get the image enhanced) and could’nt work out how to alter colours 😀
thanks again
Lawrence
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I cant see any probs with that lawrence it looks great to me. I use dibond dont know if its the same stuff or not
Regards brian
PS might be a bit dif cutting tho with a jigsaw
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hi there, you can try Ashby Trade Sign supplies for the clips, They can supply you the board (aluminium), powder coated white, cut out and including the sign channel, this may save you few hours labour?
Stephen
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can you upload the cut file here mate or just the horse. or horse and tell me what font it is. ill have a play around a little later when i catch up on work here in the background mate.
saying that.. you have made a really nice design mate.. not much up with that 😉rynabond etc.. will elaborate a little later too..
thanks for using this fascility mate.. makes good reading for others 😉
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Something I wasnt sure about was cutting around the contour of the top part of the horse, (as he requested), being that its not a symetrical shape! does anyone think that looks odd? Ive uploaded .eps and .ai, ohh yes you said about the powder coated aluminium carrie, is there any benift to using ryna-bond/di-bond. Also did you mean they would actually cut around the horse aswell, forgive me if I’m asking stupid questions here.
Lawrence
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Nice work Lawrence, looks the business 😀 Only con. cris. is I’d centre the entre to the c… try saying that after a litre of wine! 😉 I like the cut around at the top, it adds something a little extra to a sign imho, miles better than the boxy stuff I’m churning out atm 😀
Cheers, Dewi
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I`m not 100% sure, I do know they supply shaped sign panels ready to use and pre-chanelled, you might need to check with them for the shape you have in your design. The reason we recommended aluminium is because it’s used for most road signage and as you stated, your customer is not to worried about price.
you can have a look at their products online here :
http://www.ashbytrade.co.uk😀
We have used them quite a bit in the past, quick turn around and an all round good service.
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Lawrence,
I have cut Alumalite with a jigsaw
(like DiBond)
but then you have to worry about applying that moulding to the edges.
Supposedly if you heat it, it will conform to curves, etc.As for the layout, I would put the bottom copy reverse-cut (NOT mirror)
in a black panel. The background color would be the lettering color.
That way it would appear to be anchored down.
Good Luck!
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I wasnt sure if by doing that Dewi, it would make the lower cases of centre look further away than those of grange, having now tryed it, I think your probably right, have a see 😀 😀
Lawrence
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And you’ve got to love that virtual showroom! 😀 The clock on the wall even displays in real time!!!!!!! 😮 😀 How the devil is that done!
Sorry to dash off topic there, just amazed by it 😳
Are the ally sign blanks alot more expensive than the rynabond/dibond?
Cheers, Dewi
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Hi Lawrence,
As Carrie says, it’s much easier if you want channel on the sign to get Ashby to cut it and rivet the channel on for you. I would cut the sign blank a bit closer to the rider/horse like the one below as this looks better to me anyway ! I had one done today by them with a very similar style (Scarecrows) and it’s a really simple job to just apply the vinyl then go and bolt it on !!
BTW cutting either dibond or reynobond is really easy with a jigsaw so no probs there if you decide to go that route. I expect that panel from ashby would cost approx £130 (only my estimate from experience) complete with channel and shaped top and white vinyl face.
Nigel
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Dewi, yes i suppose it’s more expensive, but you are paying them to fabricate the whole sign for you, all you need to do is apply your graphics!!!
😀
Stephen
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Thanks Carrie checking that now 😀
Is this how you mean Jill? Is it neccassary to apply mouldings to the edges? ………..I know naa-ting 😀
Lawrence
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So the channels are always riveted on? Do they stick them on also, I was just wondering as when talking with the customer (trying my hardest to sound as if I knew what I was talking about) I told him that the good thing about channels is that he gets a nice smooth surface with no screws being seen!
Lawrence
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Yup, Lawrence.
But you need a bit of negative space around that box.
And check the spacing on your letters in “equestrian”
I always put this 10mm U-channel on the edges of Alumalite
to finish it. It glues on with silicone & you trim it with a razor.
I always cut myself & bleed all over the sign!
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Ashby rivet them on but the heads are nearly invisible anyway when the vinyl is applied as they are countersunk into the face.
You can use vhb tape but I personally would stick (pardon the pun 😉 ) with the rivets !Nigel
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You wont see the fixings from the front its all done at the rear. They need to be riveted on for stability. If you bear in mind reynobond is made of two thin sheets of alu sub sandwiching a foam/plasticy piece thingy? 😆 You will see the inner part from the side view also? Thats why aluminium is probably a good choice .. a good edge finish to it. 😀
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Thank-you all so much for your help and advice!, I fear I must retire, but I look foward to checking for any more comments tommorow 😀 ,
Thanks again
Lawrence
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Heres a piccy of the rivet finish for you Lawrence…..
Nigel
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Wow thats hardly noticeable, Is there a specific aluminium thinkness you would use?
Lawrence
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It’s normally 3mm Lawrence….thats std for Ashby anyway.
Nigel
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just another option mate.. had a mess about while having a wee drink 😉
if you use rynabond, you can easily cut with a jigsaw. cuts like butter with a metal cutting blade. get them in b&q cheap as chips..
as for cutting it.. well.. if you apply it all.. then cover the lot in application tape. take a ball point pen and find the ridge of the vinyl thru the application tape and draw around it all.. this way you see where you jigsaw easier. once cut.. remove the applictaion tape. you will see the app tape has protected the sign face will jigsawing 😉for the channel bars on rear.. you could just use VHB tape and it will hold it just as good and NO visable fixings at all… 🙄
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