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is there such a thing as a vertical banner holder?
It must be the season for it, I’ve been asked to quote on an 8ft x 2ft banner, pretty standard, but they would like me to mount it vertically at a 90 degree angle to the wall of the building. (Does that make sense? 😕 ) ie it would stick out like a pub hanging sign.
Anyway, is this possible? If it is, is there a ready made frame I can buy to slot it into, or would I need to manufacture something myself? (Have welder, will travel 😉 ) My biggest concern is safety with this, as I’m thinking this thing will act like a big sail when the wind hits it. I was okay doing the flag style ones the other week, as they were mounted at ground level, but this one is to be mounted 15 feet up the side of the building! 😮
Bit of a side note on this, but is there an effective way of lighting this type of sign, if its even possible to make a sign like this anyway?
Cheers, Dewi
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Dewi our local rag have banners mounted like this and are about20ft by 3ft at a guess. They are mounted on tubes with the banner hem made to fit. Trounce http://www.trounce.co.uk/ContactDetails.asp make the fittings I think. In high winds last year a couple of the said banners tore apart. Although they have been up their for a few years.
You can get mesh banners for this type of app but they ar not good for vinyl, only print.
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Excellent 😀 Just been on the website and thats exactly what I’m after. Going to ring them now, thank you very much Peter, very much appreciated 😀
Cheers, Dewi
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Banner box do them too, make sure you have some wind slits put in the banner to allow the wind through!
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If you do that job Dewi, make sure you fit the brackets with heavy duty wall fixings not just big screws and wall plugs. I’d suggest using the metal expanding wall fixing bolts because there is so much force on the brackets in the wind !
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Thats what I figured, with the banner acting like a sale, it’ll make the poles into sort of levers that would pry fixings from the wall! 😮
Slitting the banner material is an excellent idea. I’ve explored the mesh printing before on uksb for another job, but its getting the print to work both sides. On this one, I think like you say, slit the banner, expanding rawl bolts and a good quality banner with the brass eyeletty thingies.
All I have to do now is puzzle over the design, 8×2 vertical is a bit of wierd way to work 😕
Thank you for the help though guys, much appreciated 😀
Cheers, Dewi
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Dewi,
Don’t just slit the banner if you do it will tear!
If you buy the banner in ask them to put the wind slits in for you.
the slits should look like this:
http://www.bannerbox.co.uk/products/ban … shing.html
Wall mopunted posts:
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good advice nigel, these bolts are common but many sign makers do not seem to use them. 😕 they come in various sizes and styles. i try use 4 of these along with 3 inch screws on basic projector signs. gives you peice of mind 😉
common used fixing:
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I’m not going to try and wriggle out of this one, I really was going to hack into banner material with a knife, making lovely big slits…. and I would have discovered huge rips the day after 😳 😳
Thank you for that, very much appreciated, saves me buying twice at the very least 😀 Those flaps look a bit beefy though, must be a joint use… letting wind through and a flap for high-flying cats :lol1:
Cheers, Dewi
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We did one job like this 8′ x 2′ and a few weeks later the council ordered the customer to take it back down, because they did not have permission to have it up 🙄 😕 Might be something else to check on just in case you have a council like ours 👿 Strange how others have them up though ….. A game of favourites I think??
Carrie 😀
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i know fine well this isn’t the greatest of advice.
but…
if the customer asks about planning permission, simply tell them its not your Field, at the end of the day its not. your customer will also expect you to advise, pickup the problem and look into it, & all for the sale of a sign?
fair enough, if they are willing to pay you for your time, but don’t get involved!
anyway, only yesterday i was concreting poles into the ground. 2 folk from Houses across the road came over and asked. “do you have planning permission?” i quickly took on the role of a clueless employee and said, haven’t a clue mate! we only fit the signs! nothing to do with us, call your local council or something!”
on that i made sure first thing in the morning the panels were mounted in place, even though we hit problems with other signs on the same job i kept at it and finished them that day!…
at the end of the day, we kept our end of the deal, if their signs get knocked back, its not my problem. i want paid for what i was asked to do!
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😕 I was under the impression that a council couldn’t order the removal of a banner as technically it is a temporary sign and not subject to planning permission… is this not the case?
Cheers, Dewi
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I sort of agree with Rob, we dont get involved in sorting out the planning, but we do suggest to our customers that it might be something they may want to check out. That way we feel we are covering our backs for that awkward customer that just wants to blame you! We provide the designs and quote and they sort out the rest.
Sorry Dewi, wasnt suggesting you sort out planning issues but maybe something the customer might want to check on?? 🙄
Carrie 😀 😛 …. I just cause more confusion, but still I dont shut up :lol1:
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We have some customers who have their banners up and nothing said and we know of others that have been told to remove them? Councils have their own rules 😉
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Banners have deemed consent for a period of 2 weeks only without planning permission as they are supposed to be advertising an EVENT and not a company!!
I saw our local council Robin Hood taking down banners for a new complex near us, the banners were for BOOTS and MORRISONS, he was neatly rolling them up for storage with the other million banners and signs they have 🙄
Companies find it cheaper to put up new banners and correx signs than going back to the council and paying a fine to get their goods back. 😮 😎
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quote Dewi:😕 I was under the impression that a council couldn’t order the removal of a banner as technically it is a temporary sign and not subject to planning permission… is this not the case?spot on dewi!! well it is in my area..if it’s removable no one can complain, except, when i did a large banner for a fabric company half a mile down the road, the banner was about 300 feet from the main a90, the poor customer still had to remove it..to this day i thought it a bit odd, but i heard through the gv, the banner was distasteful & did not blend into the inviroment!! 😮 😮 now that’s a classic..eh 😉
Nik
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We did one just the same as Dewi is talking about, the council here applies the 14 day rule also so the customer has had 6 different ones made. Puts one up for 14 days, replaces it with another… so on and so on… I told him I think he is heading for trouble but 8 months now and not been done!!!
Guess it is down to each local authority..
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I have asked about putting up banners to advertise my company and they said yep you need planning but because it was only going up for a few weeks then they turn a blind eye and allow it without planning(since it takes 6 weeks to get planning anyway).
I have seen them take down a long banner (5m) at a roundabout with lots of text, they recon’ it was slowing the traffic as the drivers were trying to read it.
Cheers
Dave
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I know what you mean by banners being allowed etc. but, like has been said, many councils have different opinions. You can still be told to take a banner down, depending on how it is fixed. A banner tied to a fence is different from a banner screwed to a fence or similar. Screws etc are deemed as a permanent fixture. So its looked on, as a sign.
Banners on busy junctions can be allowed for 1 or 2 day events to help direct traffic, but not as an advert?
Banners on a busy roundabout/junction may not be allowed if it may distract drivers
Depending on info, design etc
Banners may not be allowed in conservation areas, as “like has been said” doesn’t fit in with surroundings etc.
The list goes on depending on location.
There is also the pyramid trailers that you see in fields… this is another kettle of fish altogether! Its on wheels so not permanent.. blah blah blah
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The bottom line on this one is that there is very little structure to the legislation.
Recently I investigated the use of electronic screen-based signage mounted on a trailer at the edge of motorways. Every call made to the Police, various councils, the Outdoor Advertising Association, etc to check legislation revealed that there was no law stating this style of advertising could not be allowed. I was, though, advised that it was “unethical” to advertise such due to the distractive nature of the medium.
However, one only needs to look at the Coca Cola screen media in Picadilly Circus to realise that particular argument has already been crossed. If that sign isn’t distracting I don’t know what is! Westminster Council has stated that there will be no increased usage of DDS at that site, but its a bit like closing the barn door when the horse is already in China!!
So, bottom line again is that it is all pretty unclear!! Sometimes it does pay to just go by the seat of your pants, and see what happens…
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Our local council actively sell advertising space on Roundabouts in Livingston. For 2 or 3 thousand pounds a year you can have a small sign advertising your business on one of many roundabouts in the area. How this got passed by our local planning office I have no idea – maybe it’s because they are connceted to the council?
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Our council do the same thing Phil but not all the adds are small some are actually quite big. The council use to have its own sign department that did all the work required by the council, this slowly got chopped over time and now the only thing they do is the road signs. Funny how easy it is to get your name on a rounderbout here to!!!
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