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I really do despair at times!
You know I really do despair at times!
Here we are now in 2007 and we have young children aged 15 years old being murdered by other children using guns (gang warfare in London).
Meanwhile our politicians are "criminalising" people who choose to smoke. Not only in Scotland, but it’s now about to become a crime in England too!
I don’t smoke. I gave up 15 years ago – but I’m severely tempted to take it up again just to challenge the half witted "authorities" who insist on telling me what to do whilst I am forced to live in a society that has rampant crime all around while our inept politicians seem to be unable to do anything about it.
Rather than worry about "climate change" and "smokers" – shouldn’t our "leaders" be doing something that really does improve the quality of peoples lives!!
Britain is in a very sorry state these days!!
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something that gets me is news headlines like
Paris is p1ssed again!
BB contestants want to save third world countries because they made and ar$e of themselves on TV.
Bush now claims he is the father of annie nicoles baby!
all crap! yet these are the headlines… and like you say, kids murdering each other at school goes on pages 10 or something, and then forgotten tomorrow.
in many ways i think the death penalty should be brought back. i am against it as it is flawed but lenient jail terms in cushy prisons is no deterrent today. take the 21 year old that raped and murdered his brothers 2 year old daughter upstairs while his brother was arguing with his wife downstairs? what sick b*****d does something like that… now the news is… "he is on suicide watch" who cares! give him a bottle of pills with his next meal…. -
Can we please bring back flogging, torture and public humiliation for violent criminals. How about painful death penalties with the victims allow to push the button to turn on the gas, gun, flamethrower, etc… Make executions public, so street scum who kill people for “disrespecting” them, can see what they will face.
I’m nasty perhaps, but its about time the governments starting to tackle real criminals and not ordinary decent criminals who do some thing like park on a road with two bits of paint on it or miss the parking meters by ten seconds. -
The problem is, we have always lived in a sick society, it started thousands of years ago, its down to evolution. Dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, etc.
Sex and drugs, not to mention violence, incest, child abuse, and pornography, oh and slavery, torture and women beating, then there is killing animals for sport or entertainment….have been around since Adam & Eve
Nothing has changed except we have instant access to media stories.
Its only my opinion, but I think I can live with a few idiosyncratic laws, in return for what is a better overall environment.
I gave up smoking as well ( or is that TOO)
But if it was introduced today, we all know it wouldn’t be allowed.
So if caught smoking in public, string the buggers up. along with the parking offenders, and people who use their mobiles whilst driving……
Peter
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Yeah but the thing is, we know that these laws are being made up so the government can quote a long list of achievements when the next election comes along.
We are turning into America – you get banged up for nicking a packet of jammie dodgers, whilst the old bill can’t be fucking bothered when you try to report a violent crime in progress. I know, I’ve witnessed it. I rang the old bill when a lad was beating another lad half to death with a plank of wood in the street. They told me to go into the station the next day to report it!
What are these tossers doing with our money? That’s right, putting Chief Inspectors in Jaguars, whilst the front desk goes unmanned. Arseholes.
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on the local news tonight was
plymouth council workers are being trained how to spy on and photograph smokers.they can sense a easy income
Chris
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Don’t get me started. 🙁
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A friend of mine says its not a good government its an evil one..
Kids these days know how the system works and know they can do whatever and get a caution!!! basically saying go on do it again.
Its no wonder people take matters into there own hands, the police are powerless…
Some kid set fire to the outside of my office few months ago.
Police knew who it was but could not do anything till he does it again…thats crazy i thought, to make matters worse the station is across the road!! but only a part time station im told.
Crime must be done in office hours now!!! leave a message after the tone.
Its getting crazy…
Councils roam the streets thinking how can we make money out of this and that.
where still waiting for rubbish to be collected after that snow we had, very tempted to take it to there office and dump it on there desk..
You think this country has problems! look at the USA.
There alot of people there now believing that the 911 attacks was
carried out by its own government. some of the footage of those buiding coming down looks like a well planned demolition job i must say, did anyone now that George bushes brother was made head of security for the buildings after sacking a guy who had done the job for over 20 years 6 months before the attacks!!!
Christ i thought our government was bad, if that ever is proven correct they will be putting up signs on white house saying "for sale".cheers
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What a p1ss poor world we live in!
Governments only seem held bent on pushing policies they can make serious money from nowadays. As for 911, ask yourself the following questions:Why did Donald Rumsfeld Move his office from one side of the pentagon to the other the week before it was attacked?
Why did every American politician cancel their flights the day before 911?
Why did a son call his mother from an American Airlines plane and tell her he loved her but refered to to her as Mrs. instead of mother?
Why were no bodies or plane debris from a jumbo jet found at the pentagon or Pennsylvania?
How come the American media have footage after 911 of Osama wheelie bin laden wearing a gold wedding ring when apparently this is not permitted due their religion?
Many questions but still no answers!
Personally I think the world is run by a bunch of Knob heads who are only their for their own gain financially and historically.
It’s a sad world when a copper can be put on disciplinary action for twatting a joy rider round the tab, but it’s only a slap on the wrist and a prime time spot on a Jamie Oliver competition on telly to give him a business for free!
Call me harsh, but I say hang the f*****g lot of em!
Regarding the 2 year old who was raped and murdered this week. I’m a big bloke but this really did bring me to tears. Put me in a room for one hour and I’ll defo show the b*****d what his testicals are for!
Kind of puts smoking in a lower category I think.
Karl.
It’s so damn good to have a rant before midday!
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quote Peter Normington:The problem is, we have always lived in a sick society, it started thousands of years ago, its down to evolution. Dog eat dog, survival of the fittest, etc.Sex and drugs, not to mention violence, incest, child abuse, and pornography, oh and slavery, torture and women beating, then there is killing animals for sport or entertainment….have been around since Adam & Eve
Nothing has changed except we have instant access to media stories.
Its only my opinion, but I think I can live with a few idiosyncratic laws, in return for what is a better overall environment.
I gave up smoking as well ( or is that TOO)
But if it was introduced today, we all know it wouldn’t be allowed.
So if caught smoking in public, string the buggers up. along with the parking offenders, and people who use their mobiles whilst driving……
Peter
Stop trying to be popular Peter, you big pussycat!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀
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Pete’s spot on.
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On 9-11.
Get hold of a book called 9.11 Revealed-Challenging the Facts. You wont believe a politician ever again.On the smoking ban. Sod it. Buy some easy up shelters, print them with the name of the pub/restaurant/office whatever, and sell them to the place. They’ve all got to provide somewhere for the gaspers, so make a few bob out of it. You know the old saying – ‘not a problem, but an opportunity’
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Ive just seen a programme advertised unveiling the 911 conspiracy, its on Sunday evening about 9 ish I think. Might be worth a watch.
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hmmm, i do wonder how long it will be before vigillantés are heading out, perhaps its a vigilante now, or maybe the young lads recently killed are not as squeaky clean as they are made out to be by the grieving parents in press conferences, maybe they picked on the wrong person ? picked on the little kids once too often ? disgruntled dealer ? threatening each other on the net ? who knows. personally i think i’m past caring about all these gang culture idiots getting knocked off by each other.
i feel sorry for anyone who has nothing to do with it, getting caught up in it in any way, but as for the thugs, chavs, yardies, whatever they wanna class themselves as, they can kill each other til there’s none left, in my humble opinion !
check this link, looks like a great film, though i do have a few reservations about the possible idea’s it might give some people to act it out, then again, is that a bad thing ?
people have had enough of the ay things are going right now.
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After a series of gang land botches here in Ireland, were innocents got killed (most notably and callously a 20 yr old apprentice plumber, who just happened to be repairing a radiator in a house were a drug dealer was to be shot, coldly shot in the head lest he be a witness!) our minister for justice has introduced a series of reforms to tip the balance in favour of the victims, you should hear the liberals bleat about civil rights, surely its worth a go and at least he is doing something. Courage is needed to control this epidemic, and the law must favour the victim.
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i fully agree Harry, i wish more politicians would realise that punishments should fit the crimes, if only a party would actually tell the human right groups to shut TF up, and then get on with punishing people, then they might ust earn some respect from the public at large.
the purpetrator always seems to get the favour these days, look at the farmer bloke who shot the two pikey kids who’d burgled him repeatedly, he gets jailed, the survivor gets compo, instead of catching people talking on mobile phones etc, the old bill should be hanging the dealers, thugs etc over a bridge by their feet untill the spill the beans, then drop em !
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Hi Guys
My little view on this subject from the other side of the tracks. As some of you might know I am from South Africa, a country 10x bigger than the UK but the population is almost the same. It has the highest crime rate in the world, you get shot dead for your car, wallet, jewlery or shoes, prisons are full so very seldom does a murderer spend more than 3-5 years in prison (if they are ever convicted) Every house window has security bars, every door has a security gate, every car has alarms, every house has an alarm with rapid armed response. High walls, electric fences razor wire and sensor beams, and they still get you when you drive out your driveway. I could go on and on but my point is, life here is 100x better than in SA, but I do agree with everything that has been said. This is a first world country and we all pay taxes to be protected and a good quality of life and that’s all we want.
Just thought I would point out that it is not all gloom and doom, it could be worse.
Personally I hate smoking but don’t hold it against anybody else, I don’t agree with a force ban but should give the place an option to be either smoking or non smoking and we get to chose if we want to sit in the smoke or not.
My 10p worth.
Warren (Happy to be here)
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funny you should say that, Warren. i dropped off a swing sign to the barbers shop today, i figured i’d get my hair cut while there, and was chatting to the barber, a white south african guy about just what you said,
he mentioned a bunch of chavs who were in yeasterday, one of em was a bit cheeky and he gave him a bit of verbal back, when the lad had gone, the next backward cap wearing scrote said " wouldn’t ‘ave spoke to him like that, e’s well ‘ard, init, " the barber told him that where he came from they carried guns and had alot more to worry about than some illiterate scrote in burberry ! not one of em uttered another word !!
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Warren,
You make a good point, but the thing is that we here seem to be on a slippery slope and heading in the same direction as South Africa, although I hope that it never gets that bad.
My opinion on all this is that people who choose to live outside the law shouldn’t be entitled to the benefits of it when they get caught.
No deterrent will stop any crime, there were still murders committed when we had the death penalty, although maybe not so many of them.
I am in favour of locking villains away for lengthy periods of time. I don’t give a toss about the rehabilitation of offenders. It is enough for me that they are somewhere that they cannot get up to more mischief.
I’ve never understood the mantra of making the punishemnt fit the crime either. If I look out of my bedroom window and see some thief breaking into my garage I fail to see why I shouldn’t be entitled to give them both barrels.
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heh john move to SA, if you find someone breaking into your garage out there you’re within your rights to give em both barrels !
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quote John Childs:I’ve never understood the mantra of making the punishemnt fit the crime either. If I look out of my bedroom window and see some thief breaking into my garage I fail to see why I shouldn’t be entitled to give them both barrels.
thats kinda what i meant John, we need to be able to punish properly, instead of giving a mugger or thief some community service, probably working with old people they’ll go out and rob the folowing week, we should give em a good beating.
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quote Phill:You know I really do despair at times!
Here we are now in 2007 and we have young children aged 15 years old being murdered by other children using guns (gang warfare in London).
Meanwhile our politicians are “criminalising” people who choose to smoke. Not only in Scotland, but it’s now about to become a crime in England too!
I don’t smoke. I gave up 15 years ago – but I’m severely tempted to take it up again just to challenge the half witted “authorities” who insist on telling me what to do whilst I am forced to live in a society that has rampant crime all around while our inept politicians seem to be unable to do anything about it.
Rather than worry about “climate change” and “smokers” – shouldn’t our “leaders” be doing something that really does improve the quality of peoples lives!!
Britain is in a very sorry state these days!!
Phil, we get the politicians we deserve, after all we voted them in.
Or to be more precise the majority did.
I just find it pointless whinging at the situation, If you want to make a difference, vote for the people who will serve your ideals the best, or if not, put yourself forward as a candidate.
Its easy to say what is wrong, far harder to find solutions.
Its also easy to condemn people for their crimes, but always remember the phrases, (no I’m not a do gooder and do not condone any crimes to do with kids or the helpless)
"There but for the grace of god go I "
"he who cast the first stone"I’m not religious either, but the phrases make a lot off sense.
Making life better takes time, lots of people complained about the the drink driving laws, wearing seat belts, and legalizing homosexuality.
and believe it or not, some still still think giving women the vote was a bad thing.To be continued……….
Peter
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quote Peter Normington:and believe it or not, some still still think giving women the vote was a bad thing.
I couldn’t agree with that, but suspect that the rot started when they removed the property qualification.
No representation without taxation.
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quote Peter Normington:To be continued……….Peter
Yeah right… I aint rising to the bait 😉
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why not Phill 😀
Lynn
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Cos he’s wrong and I’m right 😛
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quote Phill:quote Peter Normington:To be continued……….
Peter
Yeah right… I aint rising to the bait 😉
Go On Phill,
I would vote for you.Pedro
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stupid me I should have known that 🙄
Lynn
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I actually find myself in agreement with the Venerable Mr. Normington. The world is what we make it.
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not sure i fully agree on this one Pete, we vote people in on the quality of their bull5hit, they say what we wanna hear, then grab money and do a bad job anyways,
just for the record, the liars i voted for aren’t in power, but i agree with the principle of voting for who you think will make the best difference,
if i had control of the country for a few days, it’d be a different place afterwards, for sure.
lets think…
hmmm,
get on the blower to the chaps at bomber command, what ho, by monday morning there’d be no meddling eu government, non british survivors would be jailed, british survivors shot for treason 😮
i’d sack two levels of management within the nhs (and just about every other governmet run agency), then give the job offers as policemen, ambulance men, truancy officers, street cleaners,
i’d employ assasins to go and sort out all the litigation lawyers, claims 4u my ass !
put all offenders into quarries for the duratoin of their sentence, crushing rocks all day, make lay-abouts clean streets and other work for their money.
etc etc !ho’s voting for me then ?
lmao 😀
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Hugh I cant see the little black mustache in your avitar? And didnt realise you used to be a painter….. 😀 😀
Peter
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quote Hugh Potter:ho’s voting for me then ?
I’m not voting for anyone with liberal views like you Hugh. 😀
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lol Peter,
i think the guy you’re referring to was a complete psycho, but…. not without certain merits (and, before anyone jumps on me for saying that, i don’t mean what he did to any particular race, colour or sexually orientated), he was a much cleverer bloke than many seem to think or know.John,
i’m glad to be seen as a lefty, i’d hate for anyone to think i leant more towards the right when it comes to the best way forward for this country,
could you imagine, a right wing bias gov’t that actually punished people, took away their human rights when they offended, and ran the country through proper sensible decisions, much as it was in the forties and fifties ? i couldn’t bare the thought,
i’m much happier in the knowledge that i can go out and do as the vikings did, or worse, then hire cherie blah blah blair to fight my corner based on the lack of my human rights because the polithman handled me vewy vewy wuffly, he stwuck me and thwew me to the flaw when i pwotested. all the other criminals get let out early, or let off too. and any minority group of mead drinking, lentil munching, lesbian biker, animal loving, bleeding hearts anti everything protesters will get the laws passed to suit them, or huge lottery handouts while our old miserable gits, who fought in wars and made this country free for the likes of the bleeding hearts, are left to freeze every winter and the rest of us are not considered, cos we don’t shout loud enough.
i’m happier in the knowledge that we’ll accept every person, from every country, with little or no checks on them (assuming we know they’re even here of course), and allow them to preach hatred and destroy all our traditions because it offends one of them, use all our tax payers resources, even pay em compo when they’ve been arrested and let go, even rehouse them when they burn down their holding centre which fed and clothed them for free.what a wonderful country this is !
seriously though, i think it’s quite clear that i’m far from being a leftie, though i’m certainly not hard right wing in practice, what i think and say, and who i would vote for are often different things, hypocritical i may be for that, but first and foremost, i want to see our country, doing something for the beneift of it’s nation, not some minority group, whatever or whoever they may be, stop pandering to every pressure group with a cause, stop letting all and sundry take advantage of the system, who ever they are, home grown or otherwise, blah blah blah !
dont get me really started !
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National service is the answer…..let them walk around the streets of Basra with their guns & knives….lets see how brave they really are
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Yesterday I was driving through Eastwood Notts. Scrote central I call it.
5 young lads wearing the usual trakky get-up and baseball caps.
They were all walking like american wrappers, you know, shoulders waving from side to side like they were something from a Will Smith film.
Anyway as they were walking past the car they decided to have a spitting competition to see how many cars they could land on. Luckily for them they missed mine. Mindless twats and I agree with the basra thing. send them there and see how hard they really are. -
quote glenn:National service is the answer…..let them walk around the streets of Basra with their guns & knives….lets see how brave they really areCan’t disagree with that but unfortunately by the time they reach that age it’s almost too late……..!!!!! Bring back corporal punishment in schools and teach them respect from an early age…………. that’s what’s missing, respect. Getting a belt a school didn’t do any of us any harm in my opinion. And one thing is for sure, no one spoke to a teacher then they way they do now. Kids have a ‘you can’t touch me’ attitude.
I saw this when I was in the police…………. lift them for breaking into a phone box to steal the money and they mouthed off saying’ I’m under 16, there’s nothing you can do to me’. Years ago the local bobby was allowed to smack them round the head and drag them back home where their parents would smack them again! -
quote Marcella:Years ago the local bobby was allowed to smack them round the head
nothings changed there though Marcella… 😉 they just ain’t allowed to these days :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
all joking aside, the human rights thing has gone a bit too far in my opinion. yes we should have them, but but all the loop holes it has created in the system is absurd.
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I was in the police for 6 years in Longsight/Moss Side and i can’t tell you the amount of times i got a case to court for them to be ‘let off’ with a nothing sentence when the crime will affect the victim for many years to come, some never get over it.
The work involved in completing the court file can sometimes be mind blowing and the victims are sh1tting themselves at court being intimidated outside the court room and all for nothing. The scroates would just walk away laughing and flicking the v.
I often felt ashamed and felt that i had let the victim down.
The other side was that i was afraid that i could get sued/locked up for doing something i was there to do, if someone made a complaint.
Some git smashed a bottle of wine over my van the other night but by the time i had got out he had gone, if i had caught him i risk prosecution, it’s crazy.
There needs to be alot of changes made and soon.
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In my opinion, its time all the nuggets stopped going on about their human rights, and started to consider their human responsibilities.
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It may come as a suprise, but when I was a lad, the local copper would have been up against an assault charge, had he given me a clip around the ear.
Its a phrase that has been passed down over the years, in effect its an urban myth, like the copper who took me home after clipping me round the ear, and then me dad gave me another one… me mother said the same thing when she was a girl, and I first heard it from her mum (me granny).
Its not down to the police, or teachers, or the government, how kids are brought up.its the sole responsibility of the parents.
So many people today blame others for their own shortcomings, but that has always been the case.
National service in reality didnt make thinks any better, most of the people i knew that did it, actually resented it.
It wasn’t meant as any form of moral education, far from it,
let Iran and Iraq force people to be cannon fodder, I think we have moved on.for those that think it should be brought back, would they be the first to volunteer?
Peter
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Peter, I agree that respect should be learned at home. I’d never have spoken out of turn to either of my parents (wasn’t worth my while, a thick ear would have followed!) but my point is that the same nil tolerance was at school ……….. give cheek, you got belted. But the sad fact now is that few kids are taught to respect their elders and halfwitted parents are the problem, but schools can no longer back this up……… and that’s sad.
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quote Marcella:As for national service ……….. I for one don’t think it’s a bad idea. These days there’s as much chance of being shot in a London street as there is in Baghdad!
The notion of sending kids to bagdad to teach them respect is actually counter productive, I’m sticking my neck out here, I have lived and worked in iran, iraq and most middle eastern countries, I have also met lots of young soldiers, serving there, all were there by choice but a few ended up being of the mind set "if you cant get them to do as told, smack them around the head, or shoot the buggers"
I don’t think the army really wants to act as a type off borstal, just taking the "offenders" The ones that misbehave have no place in the army, like you wouldn’t want them to be conscripted to the police, who have similar disciplinary codesTo sum my rantings up.. national service wouldn’t do the scrotes any good,
they would still be scrotes after they finished or were thrown out……Peter
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quote Peter Normington:you wouldn’t want them to be conscripted to the police, who have similar disciplinary codes
Peter
didn’t do me any harm …………………………. or did it? *hair*
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Well, I had a whack around the ear from the constabulary, and more than one from a teacher. But I wouldn’t have dared to tell my parents.
The thing is that too many parents want to delegate the disciplining of their little darlings to the state, but go squealing to their solicitor when it happens.
Rearing of children must be the responsibility of the parents – no question, but the police, teachers, and anyone else with a stake in the process must have some effective sanction against malefactors.
And whilst National Service isn’t a cure for all ills, I think it would instill some discipline and sense of responsibility into most youngsters.
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I can always rely on you to put it more eloquently John 😀
for the record ……….. if I still had my police uniform…….. would you let me smack you around the head??????????? 😀
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quote Marcella:Peter, I agree that respect should be learned at home. I’d never have spoken out of turn to either of my parents (wasn’t worth my while, a thick ear would have followed!) but my point is that the same nil tolerance was at school ……….. give cheek, you got belted. But the sad fact now is that few kids are taught to respect their elders and halfwitted parents are the problem, but schools can no longer back this up……… and that’s sad.I agree its totally with the parents for the training, problem is you have kids having kids now. What chance do the little tykes have when they were conceived by two kids playing ‘mums and dads’. 😮
We see it here all the time. Now our Government gives new mums $4000 with the birth of each new child, to help parents give the child a good start. Some girls see it as a business, they are breeding sows to put it mildly. I went to a job the other day, this girl would not have been older than 20, and she had a child every year since she was 15, to a different boy every time. She not unusual. Instead of giving the new born a fresh start, they buy Ipods, Plasma TV’s, a better car, the latest fashions.
I had a mate that has a son which is as described here, an image of a drug addled rapper and thug. Not a nice boy to be near when he got drunk either. . He got sent to East Timor as a soldier (he joined the army because the money is good and tax free). When he found himself on the front line, he had a nervous breakdown. He was too young to die he reckoned.
The army sent him home and discharged on health grounds. He now gets $800 tax free A WEEK pension, and he got a $40,000 tax free payout. He earns $500 a week as a garbage man as well. He’s still broke though because now he can afford better quality drugs. In short, I don’t think national service does any good. If they are violent of nature, it either hardens them, they get killed, or are a blight on the health system when they get home.
Sorry, but until parents get or take some control back in the home, these things will never change.
The Queensland Labor Government have introduced a Bill in Parliament here that will make it a crime to smack your child.
When I was a kid, I got a few belting’s from mum and dad (hard to believe I was not a saint eh) and I got the cane too (I was framed!) but I still love my parents to bits, and I grew up quiet normal. It was not until I had kids that I realised how hard it was for my parents.
Sorry to rant 👿
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quote Marcella:for the record ……….. if I still had my police uniform…….. would you let me smack you around the head??????????? 😀
Oh Yes!!!
Maybe you could rent one for the NEC.
Or, if not, what about Miss Whiplash? 😀
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I’m not putting that UKSB gimp outfit on for anyone!!!!!!!! :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
I’ve still got my checkered cravat and badge ………. that any use??????????? 😀
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😮 😮 😮 :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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I agree that discipline should start at home but the sad fact is that some parents are just not capable. I think it would be fair to say that a lot of the "problem kids" come from broken homes anyway.
You will always get good & bad in society..that’s just how it works but you obviously need a system to deal with the bad.
My suggestion of National Service was slightly tongue in cheek but I strongly believe that if kids grew up knowing there was a system in place for when they left school which would teach them discipline & give them the skills to get through life without harming others….it would help them keep on the straight & narrow in the first place.
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i still got my uniform helmet and cuffs………… whys nobody askin me to wear it!
i think marcella will look better in it, in hers i mean not mine… well i don’t know it might just work… oops did i say that out loud. 😮
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:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: ……………. I think it’s the handcuffs thing that gets people going! :lol1:
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quote Lee Husselbury:i still got my uniform helmet and cuffs………… whys nobody askin me to wear it!
Take a wild guess Lee. 😀
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what, don’t you think i look good in this?
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you look quite cute there Lee 😉
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Lee if you put your photo up we could tell if it’s a good likeness 😀 😀 😀
Lynn
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the avatar photo does look like me if i stood sideways and had too much flash when i took the photo, that’s why i left it like that. Also i’m ginger and some people just don’t want to see that while relaxing and posting on uksign!
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don’t be shy Lee! I’ve got red hair!!!!!! 😀 Besides there’s all sorts of weird creatures here …………….. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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I was thinking of setting up a Ginger Society, where members could meet and exchange views on insults they had received, compare sun lotion factors, chat rooms and more.
You would get a GAP t-shirt ( ginger and proud ) or a ‘ i don’t smell of wee’ t-shirt, but you will have to prove you are a genuine rusty crotch.
What do you think?
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quote Lee Husselbury:What do you think?i think you need to go and do some work :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
nik
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quote Nicola Rowlands:quote Lee Husselbury:What do you think?
i think you need to go and do some work :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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Going back to the 9/11 subject most people have their own views on what happened back then, probably based on the coverage by the media in this country. Unfortunately since then there seems to have been a 9/11 media blackout regarding this matter. It became apparent to me that the BBC and the other news agencies in this country had no intention in investigating the official 9/11 story and do what most Scholars, Dr’s, and Scientists have been doing since that day and look at the obvious events surrounding that day.
To this day the BBC and others refuse to ask even the simplest of questions, which leaves it down to the general public to voice their opinions and force the issue back in to the news.For the past 1 or so years I’ve been doing my own research and asking my own questions, as I like many out there will not be taken for a fool and take the “official story” as true. I don’t think I can be classed for a conspiracy nut but I would like to think that there must be logical explanation to most things as you only need look at the footage regarding the day’s events and realise that there’s something not quite right here.
You only have to look a little deeper and use a little common sense to understand that the official line would insult the intelligence of a 5 year old and yet here we are still fighting two illegal wars that stemmed from the events on that day. The only WMD’s that the Bush administration has found are the ones they are using themselves on innocent people over there.
To summarise on key points surrounding that day, and also to this day
The towers had explosions going off well before they collapsed
They came down in nearly freefall speed (which would indicate no resistance from the floor below),
The official story relies on the pancake theory as one floor fell on to the one below.More or less the exact terror drill exercises were being carried out on the days leading up to 9/11. (London bombings on 7/7/2005 had the same scenario drills on the morning of 7/7)
Building 7 came down at approx 5.20pm that day but suffered no plane impact or major damage from the Twin Towers collapse.
There is no real wreckage from the Pentagon crash.
Or the Shanksville (Flight 93) crashThere is no real evidence linking Osama Bin Laden to the attacks, look at the FBI’s own website under most wanted and you’ll see that he’s not wanted regarding the attacks.
The BBC reported on that day the building 7 collapse 15mins before it actually did, and since that the BBC say they have lost all the original footage on 9/11 “due to cock-up” and not conspiracy.
To show you how censored the news agencies are in this country, conduct a search on the Sky News website for anything relating to 9/11 and you will not find much.
To find out more I could link to numerous videos, documentaries, speeches and papers so you could educate yourselves but it would be easier to name the items and persons to look for and see for yourselves.
Its about time most people woke up, came out of their little worlds they live in and looked at the bigger picture.
I understand that not everyone will listen and take what I’m saying is true but all I ask is to look and decide for yourselves (as I think from the replies in the early posts in this thread most of you done anyway)Most videos, documentaries, speeches are on http://video.google.co.uk
Main investigating work carried out by but not limited to
Professor Steven E Jones
Dr. David Ray Griffin
Kevin RyanThe main videos to watch (but these, for sure will lead to watching others)
Improbable Collapse
Loose Change Final Cut
Alex Jones “TerrorStorm”
Alex Jones “Endgame”
Ludicrous Diversion – 7/7 London Bombings Documentary
Zeitgeist, the movieBy the way….Don’t have nightmares
Alex.
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You might want to check out http://www.letsroll911.org
too then.I dont really have any major opinions either way, but just watch the video in the school GWB’s face while reading "my pet goat" when told of the 2 strikes and see what he does, looked like he was expecting it.
Very convincing sides to both arguments, and the old conspiracy theories will rage on for decades, that you can be sure of.
And YES, we did land on the moon. :lol1:
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9/11 what was that then?
as none of the world saw it live, I must assume it didnt happen.Alex sorry mate, conspiracies on that scale just dont happen.
its only slightly more exaggerated than all the people who invented cars that rub on water and were bought out by the big oil companies….Peter
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I’m actually trying to remember when the last time was that a conspiracy was found to be true.
I cant remember the last time a Kennedy assasination turned out to be the governments doing, or the USA held their hands up to a fake a moon landing etc, has there been a conspiracy that has been proved ever?
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Reichstag Fire
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quote Alex Pirozek:Reichstag Fire
Operation Northwoods,
Gulf of Tonkin,
to name a few..And Ive never heard of a single one of them. :lol1:
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quote Alex Pirozek:Reichstag Fire
Operation Northwoods,
Gulf of Tonkin,
to name a few..I thought Northwoods was only proposal by the cia to dis Fidel Castro and the Cubans, and actually never took place, I may be wrong it was a long time ago, but it didn’t work, as Cuba left America a little embarrassed anyway.
It is also common knowledge that the Holocaust did not take place, according to conspiracy theory,
Peter
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quote Alex Pirozek:Reichstag Fire
Operation Northwoods,
Gulf of Tonkin,
to name a few..have to admit, i’ve heard of a reichstag i think, but have no idea how, why, or when,
Alex, could you elabourate on this conspiracy theory behind 9/11. i heard it happening live, on the radio. and saw all the footage of the planes hitting the towers and the collapses, i can’t see a conspiracy, also, i though bin laden admitted it was al qaeda ???
i’m not being funny, just interested to know what the conspiricists view is?
Hugh.
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Hugh,
You should find the answers to your questions by searching the subjects in my post. There is so much information out there that IS NOT reported to us to this day by the media. I’m not saying you will believe it all just as i don’t. A subject like this will always attract conspiracy nuts that enter into the argument. All is required is a bit of rational thinking, that’s all and then make your own mind up.Alex.
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I think you’re probably right Alex.
The American government probably did blow up the twin towers and murdered a couple of thousand of it’s own citizens in order to give them an excuse to fight a pointless war against terror in which many more thousands of people would die………… but what precisely was the point of their conspiracy ? 🙄
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Because we were doing so well in Afghanistan….
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I’ve got a conspiracy theory…..
"Occam’s razor" – isn’t really a Razor but is a simile designed to put people off the scent when on the verge of making a fresh discovery 😕
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i personally think allot of what happens these days is orchestrated by the governments. 9/11 being just one of them… some may smirk at my view, fair enough…that is your opinion. But I believe that there is powers higher than the "faces of the governments" as we know them.
As many say, it is irrelevant who we vote in. Once in, they go back on their word. Maybe its because they don’t care now they are in, maybe its a harder job than they first thought. or maybe they all have the same difficult boss’s? 😕 anyway, i am sure i will get shot down for my views… and i have many of them, but it is just my opinion at the end of the day. 😉as for the troubles of today with kids and the like… well i blame most, not all, but most on the parents. I agree, allot of things are out with a parents power to control, but giving good guidance and teaching respect is the least we should be giving our kids.
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quote Robert Lambie:i personally think allot of what happens these days is orchestrated by the governments. 9/11 being just one of them… some may smirk at my view, fair enough…that is your opinion. But I believe that there is powers higher than the “faces of the governments” as we know them.
As many say, it is irrelevant who we vote in. Once in, they go back on their word. Maybe its because they don’t care now they are in, maybe its a harder job than they first thought. or maybe they all have the same difficult boss’s? 😕 anyway, i am sure i will get shot down for my views… and i have many of them, but it is just my opinion at the end of the day. 😉I think you watch too many movies 😉 :lol1:
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Yea. Fahrenheit 9/11 being one of em.
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Rob, you’re right ……………….. it’s the Illuminati at work! 😉
I remember reading a little bit into that, and how many important figures in the USA were Skull and Bones members ………… found all that stuff VERY interesting.
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quote Steve Underhill:Michael Moore should be hung for treason.
not wrong… the man is a bigger fraud than the people he is supposed to be exposing.
Funny how whenever a conspiracy theory is ‘uncovered’ you have to read about it in the theorists book, or pay to see his movie.. er.. documentary…. I may be a cynic I guess, but I can’t help but think its another marketing ploy to get people who have ‘big brother’ syndrome to pay their hard earned money to further feed their fears.
Sorry guys, all levels of government are dishonest, but it would take a lot for me to even contemplate that any American political or police power would participate in 9/11. The CIA or FBI get the blame for everything.
Its the same argument that the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that we didn’t land on the moon (a la Mr Moore). There would have been too many people involved for someone not to have ‘squealed’ or sold their story for a squillion dollars. Plenty of people have put their hand up for the money, but no one can give credible evidence to the contrary… that’s why it remains a theory…
You have to wonder the motives behind those that promote this kind of stuff, but I’d suspect its political power, or money, or both…..
Being a conspiracy theory, its just that… a theory….
I also think its fairly insulting to those that lost family in 9/11 (or the holocaust) to make the pain of their loss worse by suggesting such a thing, without anything more than a few coincidences or, dare I say it… theories as to what happened at the time.
Sorry to be so frank, not meant to offend, Just my 2c’s worth….
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We all need ‘healthy of mind’ whistle blowers and conspiracy theorists, god help us in a world where everyone buries their heads in the sand just because the alternative is ‘too hard to contemplate’. That is a ‘charter’ I am unwilling to give. Skulduggery exists at all levels of human existence. We once had a Taioseach (Prime Minister) most of the people believed to be honest, it turns out that while my parents and others like them were living in penury, this guy and his cohorts were feathering their own nests at our expense, they were caught out by a whistle blower and the tribunals are still ongoing. I wont go into the activities of the Church Hierarchy here and what happened in Northern Ireland…….all I am saying is that if it can happen in a small country that is ‘fairly transparent’ in its activities then anything is possible between the superpowers, the stakes are higher and the gain immense.
From Yes Minister to All the Presidents Men, insiders having been alluding to what the reality is, and that is……… ‘that all is not how it seems’. Long live the skeptics! 😀 -
yeh, Illuminati Marcella, couldnt remember the name of it… 😀
here is one of many interviews with firefighters from 9/11. so forget
the guys making the documentries and others lining their pockets…
the following is a highlights interview from one about an hour long…$this->auto_embed_video(‘http://www.youtube.com/v/DBb00PQR1zo?version=3&hl=en_US’, ‘560’, ‘340’)
this video doesnt proove anything at the end of the day. i’m not trying
to make people think they are wrong…
we all have our opinions and mine doesnt just stop or start or stop at 9/11.
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A conspiracy theory is just a theory unless you can prove it, most of the family members that were directly effected have declined compensation from the US government and are behind finding out the truth. Just look for yourself at the original footage, it just doesn’t make sense.
You only need to look into false-flag terrorism to get a insight into the workings of this world. Just ask the questions yourself rather than take the easy option and get it from the media, they will not tell you or even ask the questions that reveal the truth.
It’s only because the Internet is still fairly free that you can still share your views over a wide audience. All the time your liberty and freedom is being eroded away by the very people we all elected to serve us.
Where i live we have camera’s watching speed cams due to criminal damage, we’ll soon have talking cams everywhere when you drop litter or do something that doesn’t fit in. You can’t protest near the Houses of Parliament otherwise you will be arrested under the new terrorism act.
Luckily people are waking up and smelling a rat, if enough people did so then their game would be over. Don’t wait for the 30 year De-classification rule before the truth comes out.
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When tall buildings are deliberately torn down using explosive – they usually collapse from the bottom up. The last bit to be destroyed is usually the top of the building. This is the opposite to what I saw when the Twin towers collapsed.
The twin towers began their collapse more or less at the point where the aircraft hit the buildings which ties in with the conventional explanation as to why the twin towers collapsed (burning aviation fuel weakened the joists causing the initial failure and thereafter the collapse happened due to the weight of the floors above falling onto the next floor and so on).
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quote Alex Pirozek:A conspiracy theory is just a theory unless you can prove it, most of the family members that were directly effected have declined compensation from the US government and are behind finding out the truth.
All I see is people that can’t accept what has happened. They want a head on a platter, and their own government is an easy target, especially with their presidents lack of popularity. It only takes a few theorists to plant a seed, and then those that have an axe to grind will take up the mantle…. You see it everywhere, its human nature
quote :All the time your liberty and freedom is being eroded away by the very people we all elected to serve us.
Where i live we have camera’s watching speed cams due to criminal damage, we’ll soon have talking cams everywhere when you drop litter or do something that doesn’t fit in. You can’t protest near the Houses of Parliament otherwise you will be arrested under the new terrorism act.
Luckily people are waking up and smelling a rat, if enough people did so then their game would be over. Don’t wait for the 30 year De-classification rule before the truth comes out.
Welcome to Big Brother, it’s here to stay.With respect Alex, we are losing our freedoms because of civil disobedience including vandalism, crime, lack of discipline. People no longer feel safe to walk the streets, so they demand this from their elected representatives…. its the nature of the beast.
Protests are not just voicing an opinion anymore, a protest these days means you have to smash windows of innocent shop keepers, loot property, overturn cars…. anything to get your ‘point’ on the telly.
Some in our communities demand the freedom to make pornographic movies that degrade women, religious messages that incite violence, to be able to drink until they are paralytic, to be socially obnoxious, not to mention the breakdown in the family unit, kids with more rights than their parents…… the list goes on…. but others in the community demand safety and freedom to do what they want without fear of putting their life at risk…. That means cameras on street corners, more ‘big brother’ systems in place. Its simple as that.
Its no conspiracy though. Its just imperfect man, trying to come up with a perfect system… but it will never happen.
I’m of the opinion if your not breaking the law, the cameras shouldn’t be an issue.
I’ll give you another example.
I have a sign shop about 30 minutes from me that has tried to get two of my biggest contracts. He has failed for the last few years. So, he planted doubt in people minds….
He told everyone I was about to go broke. He also told them that if I was confronted, I’d deny it.
So, one day I was going about my business, and I was approached by a client who asked me straight out if it was true I was on the verge of bankruptcy. Of course, I denied it.
This happened another few times. Instead of believing me, word got out that my opposition was right… I was denying the story everytime, so he must be right, and I must be lying.
It almost came true because almost overnight I lost 30% of my business to the other guy. People jumped ship to avoid being caught up in my demise. It was a conspiracy in its simplest form, and I was the victim. It got so big that the more I protested my innocence, the more they felt I must have been guilty.
Simply put, if you can convince a few people by planting a negative seed, once the ball is rolling it picks up pace (ie support) then before you know it, its gained credibility.
Its been happening since the garden of Eden, and I don’t expect it will change anytime soon.
So, its not a case of believing everything the media feeds you, but its commonsense in my view. If you want to find a flaw, then you’re going to find it anyway. The anti holocaust movement is huge, and its headed by a Jew no less. It amazes me that he can have that view, but then Mr Moore made millions out of his anti moon landing propaganda too. Its all about planting the negative seed.
I’ve seen interviews from all sorts of people that support the CIA is behind the 9/11, but end of the day, they can’t prove it.
I’d certainly not want to be in a court of law facing the death penalty and relying on their arguments to set me free. I’d be as good as dead.
I’m not saying the politicians are perfect, and I’m not supporting them in anyway, but the alternative is vigilantes or anarchy. Neither is a better solution to what we have now.
I’ll get off my soap box now.
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quote Shane Drew:I’ve seen interviews from all sorts of people that support the CIA is behind the 9/11, but end of the day, they can’t prove it.
Cheers
ShaneI’ve seen interviews from all sorts of people that support the theory that God exists, but at the end of the day, they can’t prove it either……….we ‘choose’ to believe it………….if you are saying that you should only believe ‘what can be proved’ then I think you are as wrong as the crazy conspiracy theorists. Michael Moore is a bad example of the many fine people who explode myths engendered by governments and media. The alternative to dishonest politicians is the ‘truth’ …The violence of protests now is due to the removal of the right to make that protest and disaffection with the status quo……surely?
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If a competitor of mine had done that Shane, I would have started a rumor he had 2 weeks left with the use of his hands, but thats one that would have come true.
I hate people like that,Interesting interview with the fireman, but he was in a burning collapsing building and with bodies panicking people all about him, he had never been in that situation before, not of that scale anwyay, so his recollection may be a little garbled, I’m not saying either way what happenned or what I think happenned, I agree there is a LOT of anomalies in the accounts of 9/11
especially that after hitting the WTC at 500 miles per hour and not a single plane passenger’s body being found, somebody miraculously managed to pick up Mohammed Atta’s (one of the 19 hijackers) passport off the street before the collapse.
And also the pentagon footage just does NOT add up, with the round hole and the damage that would have been done by wings full of fuel not being there etc, I dont know.
I am going to leave it as,there is a lot of unexplained and probably unexplainable footage and accounts, but I would hate to think for a minute it was orchestrated on home soil by their own government, to think for a minute that the Bush administration could cold bloodedly kill almost 3000 of its own people to warrant an invasion on the middle east is just TOO incomprehensible.
For now anyway 😎
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Very good reply Shane, I totally understand your point and views.
The reality is that we will never totally know the truth and the silence from official sources will always fuel more conspiracy.
I’m not really concerned about the theories regarding the Illuminati, the Bilderberg Group, the Freemasons, and all the secret societies etc as they can’t be proved either way.
I’m also not talking about the past conspiracies that live on to this day, (Moon landing, Diana Crash, Dr Kelly, July 7th) as in my view that’s all they are, they can’t seemed to be proved.I’m more interested about the actual anomalies on that day and in the subsequent 9/11 commission report and find it very interesting that the media hasn’t reported on or wants to rock the boat in any of these.
Let’s stick to basics,
The Towers were designed to take multiple plane hits, this is fact and not conspiracy
The Towers had 47 off 3 foot wide central columns, the towers were not hollow and the impact area only damaged a small surrounding area of the column.
Jet Fuel does not burn hot enough to melt, let alone weaken the amount of steel involved, this is fact.
Fire-fighters and survivors have testified (under oath) that there where numerous explosions going off in the buildings well before the collapse. Actual footage also shows this at the bases of the each tower before any collapse.
Molten metal in the ruins for weeks afterwards. NASA has released satellite imagery showing these very high temperatures in the footprints of the buildings that cannot be linked to standard fire damage.
13 of the 19 hijackers have been confirmed to still be alive, yet the official story by the FBI still insists the old information is correct
The Madrid skyscraper fire, 3-4 years ago burned for over 24 hours (that was a proper fire!!), the building never collapsed.Actual photographs of the remaining central core columns that have been cut at approx 45 degree angle, the same procedure used in control demolition to cut columns so they slide apart, this is fact.
The towers and building 7 came down in nearly freefall speed, this is scientifically impossible with all the cross section of steel and columns involved, unless the resistance from each floor below was removed (i.e. controlled demolition), this has been studied by a number of professors post 911.
The plane impact zone at the Pentagon is totally inconsistence with an actual plane crashing in to the building, there’s no real wreckage, no real footage (apart from 5 frames of stills from a camera) that doesn’t show any plane going in.
184 people identified out of 189 yet the plane was pulverised due to the extreme impact. (This is the official explanation)
You would of thought that probably the most secure place in the US would have plenty of footage showing the days events (if they really wanted to show it), all the film from the surrounding cameras was seized promptly by the FBI and never released.Flight 93 that crashed in Shanksville, again no real wreckage or bodies. You only have to look at other air crashes to see that what’s normally left is plenty.
I know, and expect a slating by a few on here with lots of disagreements but I believe that most of the people that have studied this subject in depth only want to have these questions and plenty of others answered.
I don’t think this is the case that people will always look for an alternative answer and will never accept the official story as true, this is about the numerous valid questions regarding the anomalies in the official story that haven’t been answered at all to this day. I think we owe it to all the people that lost their lives on that day.That’s all, I’ll carry on listening…
Alex.
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The pentagon was NOT hit by a plane, that much I am sure of.
As I said I wont stand on either side of the fence on this one but firmly on it.
Just look at the pentagon study and you will see an annihlated piece of building, the exact same shape and size of a rocket hole, with no scorch marks whatsoever from fuel filled wings, the camera surveying one of the most highly secured places on earth had quality of which at best was equal to garage forecourt.
There is also an empty roll of cable, the cotton reel type drums in front of the hole, this would have been incinerated by aviation fuel, in fact when zoomed into the picture you can see a desk there with papers flapping about in the hole.
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1 "The Towers were designed to take multiple plane hits, this is fact and not conspiracy"please provide the stress analysis model to substantiate this statement
2 "Jet Fuel does not burn hot enough to melt, let alone weaken the amount of steel involved"
In the correct conditions jet fuel burns at 2700deg steel melts at 2500.
The girders only needed to buckle not melt. If you saw the tanks after the Buncefield fire, you would know that steel does indeed buckle at temperatures far less than that required to melt itThe first 2 things you state as fact, without any evidence, and that is how conspiracy theories, most of all 9/11 are perpetuated. by people saying "its a fact" when it clearly is not.
don’t believe most of the conspiracy theories about 9/11, for the simple fact that there are so many different ones.
Peter
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Fact – two planes hit the twin Towers
Fact – The towers collapsed shortly afterwards
Occam’s razor (sometimes spelled Ockham’s razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae ("law of parsimony" or "law of succinctness"): "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity".
This is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam’s razor is usually understood.
Or to put it more succinctly – "There’s no point in looking for a complicated explanation when there’s a bleeding obvious one staring you in the face
Logical conclusion – The towers collapse was caused by the planes collisions
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put it this way……..if we all knew what the worlds big shots know about the terrorisim and what could happen…seemingly we would not go out our front doors 😕
nik
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quote Peter Normington:don’t believe most of the conspiracy theories about 9/11, for the simple fact that there are so many different ones.
the more conspiracy theories created the less likely the the originals become believable. this is a common way to defuse a good theory. i.e. create more!
this video shows the same one documented on TV. It explains that what we see here is 75% of the FUEL being destroyed. The remainder will burn, but upwards.
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I also thought it was common knowledge they pulled building 7??
The government has been on TV admitting that, as they thought it best as there was so much damage caused by the collapses of the other buildings.
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Sorry Rob, video showed it as it was, no explanation though, just plane hits building, fuel explodes, fire follows, am I missing something?
and didnt Bin Laden’s face appear in the smoke,
😉
Peter
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Actually – it’s common knowledge that Tony Blair and George Bush are slightly dsylexic – Both believe that Sadam Hussein was Satan Hussein 😮
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quote :this video shows the same one documented on TV
the same footage peter… not the same TV documentary. most footage was caught by amateurs, but used world wide in news and documentaries.
anyway, i think it is clear to see what they are saying is happening here.harry, see this video mate. 😀
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quote Phill:Actually – it’s common knowledge that Tony Blair and George Bush are slightly dsylexic – Both believe that Sadam Hussein was Satan Hussein 😮
Yes, Tony Blair got caught kerb crawling, but wasnt prosecuted as he spent the whole evening hanging about outside a warehouse.
And Devil worshipping George Bush sold his soul to Santa.
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I dont see the relevance Rob, if the building was "brought" down or not.
if it was a conspiracy, one needs to ask "why"
The landlord for all I know may have just been renewing his annual insurance, so not really a reason to say it was linked to the fall of the building.
Like why crash 2 planes into a building when it would have been more plausible just to hit it with a missile, or just stick a bomb under it?Its a bit like a movie, or a book, the writer knows the ending so can twist the story to come to that ending whichever way he needs to.
But this was real life (or was it just a movie set) 😉
and the events had so many variables, the outcome could not have been planned, only assumed.
Any way believe what you must, this debate will still be going on when all of us are long gone…..Have a good night
Peter
Peter
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quote Peter Normington:just plane hits building, fuel explodes, fire follows, am I missing something?
yes, you just admited it now yourself. the fuel explodes through and out the other end of the building on impact! So now how do we explain the buildings falling down because the fuel poured down the middle of the building melting the steel structure? When we clearly see the fuel gushing out the other side of the building in a ball of flames?
quote Peter Normington:I dont see the relevance Rob, if the building was “brought” down or not.
Like why crash 2 planes into a building when it would have been more plausible just to hit it with a missile, or just stick a bomb under it?as was said, it takes weeks/months of planning to PULL down a building like this. if it was pulled, it was preplanned. if it fell, then how? it had very little damage and no planes hit it… that’s the relevance!
Bomb was tried years ago, did not work… i doubt a single missile would either. but what do i know? maybe better to ask that to one of the hijackers that took over 4 airliners with nothing more than a Stanley knife that we use every day in work. a 1.5 inch blade that has no real stabbing shape/method, only slash. yet contained a hundred odd passengers per plane while they calmly steered their huge plane into a building? i think not!
its all very well laughing at the theories i think should be given a second thought, but like i said. we all have our own opinions, but these people giving their stories/views were actually there!Now has anyone found that guy Bin Laden yet? you know… the one in flip flops hiding in the cave with the entire U.S. Army banging on his door?
Maybe ask this guy because you already beleive him anyway. 😉$this->auto_embed_video(‘http://www.youtube.com/v/Sm73wOuPL60?version=3&hl=en_US’, ‘560’, ‘340’)
Stay tuned next week on ***SOAP*** :lol1:
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