how do i paint onto glass properly?

[Nicola McIntosh]

hi peter 😀

matt vinyl will do, thats what i used to use before the sticky vinyl, and i always put a layer of varnish over the top, just to make sure 😀 when using paint mask i just wait about 5 minutes then peel it away..if you leave it longer it builds up when it drys and you get horrible thin edgy lumps 😀

nik

[A Misselbrook]

Hi Peter, the paint I use on glass is one shot lettering enamels. Then I varnish over the whole letter by a little bit for protection. You can get the paint from A.S. Handover, Wrights etc. 😀

[John Singh]

Also in addition you have Keep’s Intenso Colours
Also from Handovers
I believe this line will discontinue soon

Intenso has a greater opacity and dries to a slight matt but of course on windows it doesn’t matter – Pretty thick stuff so you’ll need to thin down with white spirit – Pretty strong smell too – can leave you feeling a little :crazy:

[Andrew Boyle]

Closest available One Shot………mixed [small Humbro!], to get right colour, paint mask vinyl and one of these small rollers…….

😀

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote John Singh:

Also in addition you have Keep’s Intenso Colours
Also from Handovers
I believe this line will discontinue soon

yep your right there john…ed bought a load from keeps before they stopped selling their inks…shame too as they were really good 😀

nik

[Peter Normington]

Thanks for the tips all, the main problem is the architect has specified a ral colour, so I would have to have the paint mixed. Can this be achieved with one shot or intenso? The other path I was thinkink about was to paint the vinyl, then cut it out? or would cut out first and then paint work?

Peter

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote Peter Normington:

The other path I was thinkink about was to paint the vinyl, then cut it out? or would cut out first and then paint work?
Peter

i wouldnt do either with matt vinyl peter..it will curl 😕

nik

[John Singh]

We’re in the habit of mixing two or three colours up to acheive the colour you want

Sometimes I mixed four or five until I felt it was perfect
They’re about a tenner for a small quart tin

Good thing about one shot is that the colour you mix is the colour it will dry to. This can’t be said with normal paints

You mix a small amount on a pallette board until you work out the ratios then you can mix a greater quantity

[Peter Normington]

Sorry nick, In the original post I meant mat vinyl paint,
I have paint mask.

sorry for the confusion

Peter

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote :

i wouldnt do either with matt vinyl peter..it will curl 😕

peter when i say matt vinyl i was refering to the paint ..on to the vinyl you were suggesting to cut…. 😕 its my silly way of wording things 😉

nik

[Peter Normington]

Ok nik gottit, To save more confussion
lets say vinyl = sticky backed plastic,
matt vinyl = Dulux 😀

Peter

[John Singh]

You could have something there Peter
Presume your going to apply to the weeded area then remove vinyl (sticky)

[Peter Normington]

Thats about it john, the glass has to be written first, then it will be made into a double glazed unit. the text is going on the inside layer of glass. to be read on the outside, if you see what I mean, Because the paint will be internal, There may not be a need to overpaint with varnish, but I was just having a rething on the tips so far, and enamel may be better for longevity?

Peter

[John Singh]

Yep! For sure
If it was simply on the inside of a single pane I could see no problem but sandwiched inside two panes – not sure as extremes of weather are particularly felt on windows

One shot enamel or if you can get hold of intenso more the better
Old signwriting trick: add just a ‘tiny’ tad of gold size to help adhesion to glass

[John Singh]

Wrights do a paint called ‘cover-it paint’ which matches the old Keep’s intenso

[Peter Normington]

Thanks all,

I think I have got the general idea, will show you the results.
Peter

[Terry Bull]

Peter
If you go to a decorators supplies and give them your RAL code theyll mix up a litre of enamel for you
Terry

[Peter Normington]

Thanks terry, I went to a trade suplier this morning, They could not do enamel only gloss and mat, so I got a sample tin of mat, I think I may have a better chance of getting enamel from an auto paint supplier?
Anyhow, I think the customer will be happy with the mat.
Thanks

Peter

[Jill Marie Welsh]

While I would suggest 1-Shot, no need for additional varnish….
why does it have to be matte?
The glass will make it look shiney, right?
Also, you can buy quarter-pints of 1-Shot, it is very easy to mix.
Also, will there be a blistering problem if the 1-Shot is sandwiched between glass?
As you know, 1-Shot takes A LONG time to dry thoroughly,
I would worry about sticking glass over it before 2 weeks have passed.
You may have to add a bit of 1-Shot hardener,
which will make your mixed paint cook up fast,
allowing you just a short period of time to roll paint over your mask.
You might want to cut a secondary very thin outline when you cut the mask,
to be peeled off within about 10 minutes of your painting it,
so you don’t get a real “hard edge” on the lettering.
If you are rolling, be careful not to over-roll, because you will get a myriad of little bubbles.
I think I’d dab it on carefully with a very good soft lettering quill.
Love….Jill

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote Jill Marie Welsh:

You might want to cut a secondary very thin outline when you cut the mask,
to be peeled off within about 10 minutes of your painting it,
so you don’t get a real “hard edge” on the lettering.

nice tip jill 😉

nik

[Peter Normington]

Thanks for the tip Jill, I’m not quite sure what you mean though,
On the picture the white and blue is the paint mask? the a is painted, so which bit and when do I remove?

Peter

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[Jill Marie Welsh]

You would cut the letter with the outline, but NOT weed out the outline.
In this example the orange A would be the painted portion,
the white outline would be the part the you’d remove shortly after painting, when the 1-Shot starts to set up.
Do you understand?
The letter itself, when finished, would just be the orange “a”.
The outline removal just helps the paint to flow out naturally,
so that it doesn’t dry with a sharp edge.
Love….Jill

[Peter Normington]

Thanks Jill, that makes sense now,
Cheers,

Peter