garment film help please

[Colin Crow]

I would expect waterproof or showerproof jackets to have some surface coating on them (possibly siliconised?) so this may be the problem.

Can’t imagine how they thought a lower temp and time was going to improve matters though. I usually increase both gradually until it works but its not easy when you don’t have spare garments.

Good luck

Colin

[Nigel Pugh]

Chris I would stick with the normal application temp but extend the application time.

If the garment can take a longer application time then the vinyl certainly can, one mistake people make is raising the temp to the point it will alter the vinyl make up and causing it to fail.

As Colin said, it does appear to have a waterproofing agent and so the idea of the longer application time is to allow the glue to soak though the waterproof layer and into the garment itself.

Nigel

[Chris Wool]

will try longer at 160 deg

quote :

If the garment can take a longer application time

is there any magical signs just before the solid turns to gas 😉

chris

[Glenn Sharp]

more of a smell I would imagine Chris 🙂

[Chris Wool]

tried 28 sec @160 no stick so will put this down to experience luckily no damage.
i did forwarn the customer it might have it back in a melted state but said have a go anyway

ta for time

chris

[graffica]

Good question Chris.
I´ve had this problem.The health & safety rules here ….. generally ignored by the Spanish …. mean that body warmers, maybe other clothing too, have to have a fire-resistant coating. Getting the vinyl to stick has been a big problem.
I´ll follow Nigel´s advice next time.
And Nigel, I´ve said it before, your website for Spain is terrible. Can you use your influence to do something about it? Can´t fault the service though.

Chris

[Nigel Pugh]

Only garment I couldn’t get vinyl to stick to was a Real Madrid shirt, even the sponsors logo already on the shirt was lifting.

Chris aka Graffica, sorry mate it is nothing to do with us, but I will mention it to the head office in Belgium for you.

Nigel

[Dale Hughes]

Hi I have done hundreds of nylon jackets i use nylon garment film 140 degrees for 20 seconds never had one fail yet

Dale

[Saph-D]

Hi,

Did you do a hot or cold peel on it ? Cold peel seems to be better in my opinion.

If the fabric has been treated it might not work, do you have any idea what temperature the jacket will tolerate ? I pressed one item at 175 degrees for 15 seconds – quite a bit higher than the recommended temperature, but it worked a treat.

[Chris Wool]

thank you although new to heat pressing i have done several different nylon products with out any dramas.

been looking at the labels on the jacket one says rain treated so that will probably be the reason

chris

[Nigel Pugh]

Chris always ask your supplier about what temp not to go above, I know that most textile vinyls should be applied around 130 min to 160 max, as heat presses tend to hover above or below the set temp by several degrees you need to be careful.

Most textile vinyls do have a breakdown temp of 170 to 175 degrees, at this point the chemical structure changes and as said before will lead to failure of the product.

Nigel

[Chris Wool]

thank you nigle for your interest in this although its not one of you products, it hasn’t gone un noticed.

the target stuff has impressed me by its ease of use on every thing except this one so far the idea is to only stock one product,

the customer has collected the top now a bit disappointed but at least he has a jacket to wear. the trousers i did similar but not rain protected were fine and wants about 15 more doing, so all not bad

chris

[Nigel Pugh]

Chris in fairness my name is Nigel and not Nigle, you write it like my sister 😛

But most textile vinyls in the UK are supplied by a few manufacturers regardless of what we UK distributors give names to the materials they are 80% supplied from the same source.

On saying that there is a growing import as usual nowadays of Chinese variants, some are good and some are useless, the same can be said for the garments people ask you to apply to, 80% will take textile vinyl easily and the other 20% will pose a problem.

The weird thing is most users will always blame the textile material as been faulty first 😕

Nigel

[graffica]

All the garment films I´ve tried seem to work well, so it´s probably a matter of personal choice which one you use. But on the odd occasion when things go wrong it´s a mystery.
I recently did 25 Polos with a yellow and white logo pressed together at the same time. The yellow started to peal, but the white was perfect. The supplier was no help.Worked with the same yellow from the same roll before and since without a problem…as far as I know.
Another logo, with same colour vinyl text in small Times Bold on different coloured Polos was fine, but the vinyl just wouldn´t stick on the black ones.
Both the above examples are inexplicable to me. Has anyone got the answer?
Nigel. Glad to hear you might be able to do something about your Spanish website. Incidentally, I quoted for the Real Madrid kits a couple of years ago. Didn´t get the contract but know the company that supplies them. Obviously cowboys! Not like us professional??? Brits who have the support of UKSB.

Chris

[Brian Curtis]

We’ve had the same problem, mainly with jackets and it always appears to be those with waterproof coatings.

If we have a customer who wants printing on something we feel we cannot print on, we ask if it is okay to press a small amount of vinyl in an area where you can’t see it, just to test the product. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don’t.

Brian

[Chris Wool]

quote :

Chris in fairness my name is Nigel and not Nigle, you write it like my sister

SORRY
now you are going to say your sister is only 5 ive got broad shoulders i can take it.

thanks for other comments

chpis