font id please?

[Jayne Marsh]

I think it might be Bremen

[Johnny S]

you are correct, next question… have you got it??

[Jayne Marsh]

Yes but only if you say please :lol1:

[Jayne Marsh]

Here ya go

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Attachments:

BREMENB.TTF

[Johnny S]

please, thank you with a cherry on top,

ta, you’re a star

[Shane Drew]

quote Jayne Marsh:

Yes but only if you say please :lol1:

Jaynes motherly instincts again mate…. 😛

[Jayne Marsh]

I think you’re right Shane, I cant help it! Now if you dont behave I’ll have to ground you and send you to bed with no tea! :lol1:

[David-Foster-]

I don’t get this site sometimes. It is policed so strictly by mods then it condones piracy like this!

You are always bleating on here about customers and competitors ripping your sign designs off and getting it done cheaper down the road etc. What about the poor font designer or company? Double standards or what!

I like the idea of someone helping you with what font it actually is, it’s a nighmare matching fonts sometimes with thousands of them. Myfonts does a good job of that. But you then can buy the font from Bitstream for $25.

I am saying this in the best possible taste, don’t want to fall out with anyone 😀

[Shane Drew]

quote David-Foster-:

I don’t get this site sometimes. It is policed so strictly by mods then it condones piracy like this!

You are always bleating on here about customers and competitors ripping your sign designs off and getting it done cheaper down the road etc. What about the poor font designer or company? Double standards or what!

I like the idea of someone helping you with what font it actually is, it’s a nighmare matching fonts sometimes with thousands of them. Myfonts does a good job of that. But you then can buy the font from Bitstream for $25.

I am saying this in the best possible taste, don’t want to fall out with anyone 😀

David, I had a similar discussion on this same issue the other day http://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.p … light=ryan

I am sure that I have been guilty in the past, and since I posted my reply, I help Lee from spain with a font I genuinely download from a free site a few years ago, to find it is actually a purchased font.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the thought you expressed, I expressed the same thing myself, but I wonder how we come to an answer.

Personally, I’ll search for the font that is requested to see if it is a free font before I offer it, if not I will point to the font with a link.

What annoys me is when people are made aware it is NOT a free font, they still prefer not to pay for it if they can get it for free.

I am not wanting to upset anyone either, and as I say, I have been guilty in the past of just providing fonts willy nilly.

The other reason so many people give stuff away, is because it was probably on their machine when tey purchased it, or on software that they have downloaded or purchased.

I’d much rather see the text that we need be provided rather than giving away a font that is not free. Especially seeing as someone uploads a font, and 20 or so people download it. The site could be accused of perpetuating piracy if any of the font sites got wind of it.

Not sure what the answer is, because end of the day, it is a conscience thing I suppose.

But I think we need to discourage piracy, or it will get a bad name. I’m sure we all want to do the right thing as professionals… don’t we?

[David-Foster-]

… and it’s been downloaded 7 times already, for the 1 person who requested it … 😕

If some scumbag nicked your wheeltrims ($25?) or stole £20 out of your wallet you would want the police to string them up!

[Carrie Brown]

Maybe its a better idea for people to state what text they require once they know someone here has it and then load the text as an ai etc file for them or email it rather than exchange the whole font?

😀

[Lorraine Clinch]

I have noticed that that is starting to happen Carrie. I have begun to simply ask for ID of a font if desperate, so I can do my own search if I don’t have it.

I do think, though, that if we all become too paranoid over this issue that the whole helpfulness/freindliness of the site will be lost, along with memberships. Just my thoughts. 😕

[Jayne Marsh]

I had this font on my pc and to be honest presumed it was a free font (correct me if Im wrong) or it could have been included along with software that I have bought in the past. I would normally be happy to name any font if I can match it but not always supply it especially if it was a bought font. Im more than happy to provide text in outlines if someone is desperate as others have done for me in the past. The way to go would be to share the common free fonts that most people have as standard and anything out of the ordinary should be text only. Sometimes we (like me today) only need help identifying a font that we already possess, I had my eyes tested today and was told Im virtually blind :lol1: which only goes to show why I didnt spot that the font I was looking for was Arial 😮

[David Rogers]

I can see both sides of the story. Yes, when you NEED a font, any means can seem justified. But the wanton ‘willy-nilly’ downloading when you didn’t ask for it gets me ticked too sometimes – (especially with logos that I spent time on and were intended to help out, not expand somebodies portfolio) . If it does – the provider of the file can simply edit the post & remove the attachment.

The idea of posting the text required & allowing a kind hearted soul to convert it is great for small sections of text (no menus please!!) – simple cut & paste into whatever program you’ve got & change the font & export as an AI or EPS – that’s a great idea.

Dave

[John Harding]

I give and I receive in equal measure I hope, I understand that you shouldnt hand out willy nilly fonts youve purchased through hard endeavour but for fonts that are readily available as freebies on line then why not save a fellow UKSB ‘er time and hassle, sorry I dont see the majority of fonts as property like say vehicle outlines though I understand its a fine line. I hope we dont all take the high ground on here otherwise it will become a worse place for it IMHO.

john 🙁

[Andrew Boyle]

is this just as bad
(?) 😉

http://www.webpagepublicity.com/free-fo … ee%20Fonts

[Andy Gorman]

I don’t know……
I never give away fonts that I have paid for. It is difficult to know what ones are genuinely free to distribute legally. There are a lot of free font sites about that are well known enough that they would surely have been shut down if they were breaking the law.

Shane’s idea is a good one. In fact, rather than giving away fonts maybe we should post a link to where it is freely (or otherwise) available from.

[David Rogers]

quote Andy Gorman:

…..Shane’s idea is a good one. In fact, rather than giving away fonts maybe we should post a link to where it is freely (or otherwise) available from.

Trouble is, in general we’ll just look at our fonts list "have I got it? Yes / No" and take it from there and either post it or offer to convert the text. Who here REALLY has the time to go looking for font suppliers on the net (on such a regular basis) to help out other signmakers / friends without losing time & therefore money for our own businesses. That ‘favour’, searching for some errant font may end up costing us. I know, I know – don’t look if you don’t have the time. But who here will see a mate totally stuck? We WANT to help, and finding a legitimate site that has some obscure font can be tricky!

quote David-Foster-:

… and it’s been downloaded 7 times already, for the 1 person who requested it … 😕

Make that 17 and counting.

I think there was a post recently about using obscure fonts to combat the copying of our own personal work – don’t make it generic so ‘Joe Public’ can’t take the artwork you designed into any company & have it easily replicated. I know I’d be a little p’d off if i saw somebody requesting a font match or re-origination for something I’d done!
I honestly don’t know the best solution that’s fast, friendly & entirely legal except to post ‘text’ in order to have it converted to a required font – that way no actual fonts change hands*, only artwork by consent – which will be of no use to anybody else except the intended recipient except out of curiosity.

(* Notice how nobody exchanges Signlab fonts…..)

Dave

[George Elsmore]

i get really confused on some pionts raised here ie i buy a font is the font then not my property or am i just renting it? if i buy say 100 football programmes from a match (ok i never did the artwork and all the other guff) then surley if i wish to give some of them away as a gift then i can…….probabaly going to wind someone up here so i’ll get my coat!! 😕

[Andy Gorman]

George, I would guess that when you buy a font you are paying for the right to use it but not to distribute it. It’s the same as any other piece of software – you wouldn’t make copies to give to your friends, at least not legally.

David, I have posted links to font sites before after searching for a font for someone, as have others. I am constantly amazed at the lengths our members will go to to help others out. Searching for fonts, clipart etc.

So there 😛

[George Elsmore]

Good point taken on board its so easy to dish out fonts to the friendly people on here….note to self must educate myself 😕

[Harry Cleary]

Totally agree George, they are just finding a way to get more money out of you. I own it, I decide who I give it too. Within reason, If I am not reselling it, whats the problem.

[John Childs]

quote George Elsmore:

if i buy say 100 football programmes from a match (ok i never did the artwork and all the other guff) then surley if i wish to give some of them away as a gift then i can.

George,

You can buy as many football programmes as you wish and give them all away, but if you copy them, print up a batch yourself and stand outside the ground selling them then you will wind up in trouble. Guaranteed.

Harry,

So you would be happy to sit designing all day and for your "clients" to take your layouts and get them made elsewhere? I think that you would soon squeal.

[Jayne Marsh]

I think that if you send a copy of a free font to someone on here then you are not breaking any piracy rules, but if you send a copy of a font that has been purchased by yourself then you are breaking the rules. If you bought FlexiSign for example this does not give you the right to copy it and post it for anyone to dwonload. Common sense should prevail.

Now if anyone has a copy of Sarah script going free please post it !!!!!

only joking, only joking……….dont beat me with a big stick please 😮

[George Elsmore]

consider the can of worms oficially open 🙄

[Shane Drew]

quote Harry Cleary:

Totally agree George, they are just finding a way to get more money out of you. I own it, I decide who I give it too. Within reason, If I am not reselling it, whats the problem.

Harry and George, my father produced software for a living years ago, he paid the programmers (he employed 3), he mortgaged his house to pay for the marketing etc, and sales staff, and he invested a lot of effort to sell his wares.

Believe me when I tell you, that buying one copy and then giving it away, ie not making any money from it, does not go down well with people like my dad, who lost his house because people loved the program and did that very thing, they copied it and gave it away to friends.

It was etimated for every one he sold, 2 or 3 were copied.

Everyone had a copy it seems, people raved about it, he got excellent reviews in all the software journals, he even made front page news in a local news paper (it is still framed on my dads wall) but it didn’t equate to money in the bank for my dad.

He went broke, lost our house, etc etc. That was 25 years ago (pre windows), people are still using it on old DOS machine, still sending him notes of praise.

Font production is the same. People still invest time and energy (artistic and physical) and for all we know may be surviving on the royalties from each sale.

I’ve been on both sides of the ‘fence’ I just think we need to consider that these people are making a living too… like my dad was trying to.

If I have to find a specific font for a client now, I just inform him it will cost him $x to purchase the font or I’ll just include the cost in his artwork costs.

As far a finding if a font is free or costing money, just google *fontname*.ttf and you will be amazed at what will come up.

Cheers
Shane

[George Elsmore]

I have took on board all you have said Shane and will endevour to educate myself into this subject and not pass them on willy nilly….meanwhile something else just popped into my head is it sheer coincidence that some fonts are a gnats tadger off being like another or are they copied and sold off as bla bla bla font which people like us have to buy? 🙄

[John Childs]

George,

Take a read of this…..

http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html

It explains the reason for a lot of the lookalike fonts.

The only reason for the existence of Arial is that Microsoft wanted to avoid paying royalties.

[Harry Cleary]

Hi Shane,
While I agree it is tragic what happened your dad, surely the onus is on the ‘software maker’ to put a price on his product that covers him, as we do when designing and making signage. This inference of crimminality put on people who only wish to share and help is ridiculous. If I sell on my car, Peugeot will not look for a cut of that money. The font/software marketplace is overcrowded I think and I dont think this is a moral activity to be engaged in, price it right in the begining and then there should be no problems. I am not looking for a free for all system, but all of us on here have bought and paid dear for fonts/software, and to have to pay for every font (even if only used once) is too muh for most of us. People will abuse the hospitality of others but they will do it elsewhere anyway, why throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Just my tuppence worth, just fell through the soapbox 😀 😀 😀

[Jayne Marsh]

But Harry, when you say that if you sold on your car that the manufacturer wouldnt want a share, thats right but you are selling it on, its not as if you can go and use it whenever you like, you have sold it, it is no longer yours. When you buy software and share it, you are retaining the original and still have use of it even if you are sending copies to other people. I hope Im explaining myself clearly, one instance is merely the selling on of property and the other is copying and keeping the original.

[George Elsmore]

John, god bless Bill Gates thats why i am poor and he is rich i suppose all very technical

[John Childs]

You really don’t understand do you Harry?

quote Harry Cleary:

This inference of crimminality put on people who only wish to share and help is ridiculous

There is no inference. Sharing copyright material IS illegal. Fact.

If you really don’t see it, give the Federation Against Software Theft (FAST) a call. They would be happy to call round, audit your computers and, if they find bootleg fonts, explain the error of your ways and take you to court where you will get a nice fine or, in extreme cases, a jail sentence.

Go on – try it. 😀

[George Elsmore]

confused?????

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/bremen/

http://www.webpagepublicity.com/free-fonts-b6.html

[Shane Drew]

Harry, based on your comments, dad’s $99 computer program would sell for $400 at least. Dads idea was to sell at a price that would produce quantity sales, not with a huge margin so that only small sales would pay his R&D

Dads idea was to offer a great program at an affordable price.

Based on your idea, we’d all be paying a fortune for stuff that could be supplied cheaper, but would be priced to cover the ‘dishonest’ consumer.

Even the font that is in question here, the seller would have to budget for 20 x time the price to make a profit. We’d be talking unaffordable, instead it is offered for under $30.

I know which option I’d prefer….

[Shane Drew]

quote George Elsmore:

confused?????

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/bremen/

http://www.webpagepublicity.com/free-fonts-b6.html

someone sells you a stolen watch George… are you guilty of a crime? Yes

you could argue you purchased it in good faith… they’ll still use it as evidence for receiving stolen goods

you could argue that someone gave it to you as a gift…. the police will still conside it stolen…

you could argue that you thought it was free…. but it will not stop the police from laying charges 😮

In truth I have looked at this same situation many times. I am not sure of the answer yet, but I am happy to research it if I can.

End of the day, I’d probably post the free link here for the other party to copy, but I don’t suggest for a minute that it is the correct response 😳

[Marcella Ross]

This thread is going over old ground again but in response to George’s 2 links for fonts, which is correct? Is the font for sale only and the other is breaking a law, or is the font legally free and another site is just trying to cash in?

(?)

[Jayne Marsh]

In all honesty I didnt know that this font was a bought font, it is one that is on my pc and probably came with one of my software programmes. I have a number of cds with "free" fonts on, they either came with flexi, coreldraw or free cds given when purchasing other cds. The only other way I aquire fonts is if they are supplied with artwork, i.e. from councils or big organisations that want a specific font and supply it along with their request for signage. although more often they will supply artwork in vector form anyway. I think that next time I will have to hold back and not share fonts in future, only text as I dont always have time to look for links for font sites.

[Shane Drew]

quote Marcella:

This thread is going over old ground again but in response to George’s 2 links for fonts, which is correct? Is the font for sale only and the other is breaking a law, or is the font legally free and another site is just trying to cash in?

(?)

I’d say it is such an old font, they are probably not worried about it. Myfonts is owned by bitstream (I think), so I’d suggest they are being opportunistic …

[Shane Drew]

I wrote to myfonts and asked them why Bremen was available free, and they had it for sale…

… this was the reply..

Hello,

I looked at the Bremen on the site you pointed us to. It turns out to be a pirated copy of one of Bitstream’s fonts.

I have reported this pirate website to Bitstream’s legal department. I expect that Bitstream will contact the owner and demand that the pirated copies be removed from their website.

Let us know if you have any other questions. Thanks for using MyFonts!

–John Collins

guess that answers the question Marcella 😕

[George Elsmore]

i think we could talk this to death it is a mirky subject i suppose if you choose the freebie and it is not a true freebie then accept the consequences that come with it DEATH BY HANGING!!!

[Marcella Ross]

Perhaps then there’s no such thing a ‘a free font’ after all! Could be every site with ‘free’ fonts are all pirated copies……….. 😮

George …. I’ll follow you up the gallows! 😀

[Shane Drew]

May have resolved this in part…. Bremen is a font that comes standard with some versions of Coreldraw. Thus, people find it on their computer and, not having paid for it, assume it is free.

Does that makes sense? maybe 🙄

Does it justify swapping it? no idea 😕

I’ll crawl back under my rock now…. 😳

[Harry Cleary]

quote John Childs:

You really don’t understand do you Harry?

quote Harry Cleary:

This inference of crimminality put on people who only wish to share and help is ridiculous

There is no inference. Sharing copyright material IS illegal. Fact.

If you really don’t see it, give the Federation Against Software Theft (FAST) a call. They would be happy to call round, audit your computers and, if they find bootleg fonts, explain the error of your ways and take you to court where you will get a nice fine or, in extreme cases, a jail sentence.

Go on – try it. 😀

I understand only too well John, having been the victim of a crime that the DPP decided not to prosecute on the grounds that ‘common sense’ should prevail. Happens every day of the week, the law is an ass, just because it is law doesnt make it moral, as any one who is homosexual will tell you. I have no doubt that people are making huge money from piracy but as I have said, we on this site are normally honest consumers of software and fonts, a bit of latitude is required from time to time, and to be frank, I think it is given by FAST to the likes of this site. Let common sense prevail here.

[John Childs]

quote Harry Cleary:

just because it is law doesnt make it moral

Sorry George, I don’t want to get into a fight here or fall out with anybody, but I really don’t understand why anyone should think swapping copyrighted fonts is a moral activity. As you say, the law is an ass, but just because they don’t pursue something doesn’t make it right, moral or legal.

Law apart, if the copyright holder doesn’t want to pursue recompense for their work then that is their choice and again, doesn’t make it right ………

If we take this to extremes, would you consider it moral for Steven Spielberg to spend fifty million dollars making a movie and then let me buy a fifteen quid DVD, copy it and distribute worldwide. I don’t think so, and it is the same principle.

[George Elsmore]

George?

[John Childs]

Sorry George. It’s Friday (that’s my excuse anyway) 😀

I was talking to Harry.

[David Rogers]

As George said, "can o’ worms…."

We COULD all be really, really petty & stop providing font help. Hell, why stop at font sharing – soon the ‘font spotters’ will just say "I found it so I know it’s available…".
Since I joined at the start of the year there has been umpteen ‘fights’ about the legality of sharing. eg. Outlines. "Don’t share Brian’s, other stuff, who cares" or paid for fonts, or even what was my pet hate, full versions of software costing many, many thousands on sale on Ebay for £20.
The ‘grey area’ that’s left – that of sharing fonts that we have on our systems IS illegal for the most part, even the ones given away on cover disks carry disclaimers about copying & lending. It would appear that the only thing we can post is our own work. Even free clipart sharing is likely to be a no-no.
An we can forget about using the ‘BOTW’ website as it’s full of ripped off logos that are ‘copyrighted’/ ‘trademarked’ to prevent the distribution & unauthorised use of them.
Who here can HONESTLY say that they have NEVER used somebody elses artwork or fonts when it suited us? Only a handful I bet. In the main we all try to be as profitable as possible by spending ‘just enough’ to to achieve a necessary result – whether software, staff, time or ‘extras’ that make our life easier.
I don’t really know where the rest of you sit with this. The hard line – ALL copying is evil, or a more flexible approach for small component parts. There’s no way I’d condone passing out pirate/hacked Signlab or Photoshop, but may concider handing over an ‘8BF’ file (filter) or a TTF if it wasn’t direclty paid for (ie. $ value attached).

So, is there to be a site-wide ban on file sharing where we personally didn’t pay for its production or showing links to effectively pirate sites – or can we all just get back to normal as it seemed to be working quite well with very little major abuse?

Dave

[Harry Cleary]

John never meant to offend, just my tuppence worth. 😀
Well said David, thats the most sensible approach I think.

[John Childs]

David,

Yup. Can of Worms.

Who can honestly say that everything on their computer is legitimate? Well, not me for one. I’ve got so much stuff collected over the years that I couldn’t tell you where a lot of it even came from, never mind whether it is legal or not.

I don’t think there is that much bad stuff on my hard disc but if I was investigated I would have trouble in proving that a lot of my fonts are paid for rather than pirated. Some of them I’ve had for years and can’t remember where I bought them, or even, in as lot of cases, why I bought them at all. Obscure fonts for long forgotten jobs!

Brands of the World? It can be used properly. I recently had an enquiry from a leasing company for a quote for vans for Eva Air. I’d never heard of them but BOTW had, and I was able to download their logo and incorporate it in a layout drawing. Now as that work was ultimately for the benefit of Eva Air it was a legitimate use of their logo and therefore they would not be likely to prosecute me for breach of copyright, even though they did not authorise me to use it directly. Now if I had run off thousands of decals and advertised them on eBay they may take a different view. Perhaps Eva Air is not a good example, but try doing that with any Disney image and time how long it takes for their solicitors letter to hit your doormat!

It was mentioned above that we are covering old ground but I don’t see any harm in that. In fact I think it is a good thing to bring it up occasionally so that newcomers are made aware of their rights and responsibilities. I would hate to see a newcomer prosecuted for software theft and then stand up in court and say that they thought it was ok "because everybody on uksignboards does it all the time". That would put the spotlight right on us and benefit nobody here.

Harry, no offence taken. And I hope none given. 🙂

[Shane Drew]

quote David Rogers:

can we all just get back to normal as it seemed to be working quite well with very little major abuse?

Dave

Ah yes… the ignorance angle…… might just work … :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

Just for the record, I have heaps of logos that I have personally created and put on BOTW. I am happy to do so, as I feel that as I use the resource, I should donate to the resource.

As John says, BOTW if used correctly is a great ‘library’.

[David Rogers]

quote Shane Drew:

quote David Rogers:

can we all just get back to normal as it seemed to be working quite well with very little major abuse?

Dave

Ah yes… the ignorance angle…… might just work … :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

I know it was tongue in cheek, but seriously, it appears that most of us have some artwork/fonts that are of dubious origin and yet we don’t go handing ourselves in for this flagrant disregard for copyright laws, or for that film you taped of TV 10 years ago, or that tape / CD in the car that’s ‘a backup’ your keeping of a mates album. We all know the score, so me must individually make up our minds. "Do I post stuff? Do I download stuff?" That way we keep ourselves ‘right’, and if somebody wants to throw a hissy-fit over a TTF font feel free as although this forum is vigorously moderated, it’s not overly censored in regards to personal beliefs. I just think it may result is us all being a little more ‘careful’ in what type of help is given as a climate of fear, either of offending or of legal retribution may descend over the forums.

I could be entirely wrong here, but personally i now feel slightly reluctant to post any materials that could in any way construed as being copyrighted. Not being petty, but if it went to extremes, this could become just a chat forum with no help or ideas exchanged under intellectual property clauses. Sad 🙁

ps. Shane, that may go for some of your jokes, as if you didn’t personally think of them you are guilty of publishing someone else’s work without paying royalties. Pity 😉 :lol1:

Dave

[Shane Drew]

quote David Rogers:

I could be entirely wrong here, but personally i now feel slightly reluctant to post any materials that could in any way construed as being copyrighted. Not being petty, but if it went to extremes, this could become just a chat forum with no help or ideas exchanged under intellectual property clauses. Sad 🙁

ps. Shane, that may go for some of your jokes, as if you didn’t personally think of them you are guilty of publishing someone else’s work without paying royalties. Pity 😉 :lol1:

Dave

You are right David, it was tongue in cheek. Was not meant to affend. I was laughing when I typed it…. honest… :lol1: :lol1: (I’m smiling now too – really trully)

Personally, as a result of this debate, I’m more inclined to offer the text as an eps if I have the paid font on my PC, I do get erked by people here – clearly non contributers – who troll the site looking for free stuff like fonts etc. or just point to the link if I know where it is.

I agree that we should each police our downloads, but realistically most don’t. The beauty of the internet is that it is anonomous isn’t it. The main reason why porn is so popular. No one has to know we are viewing in the privacy of our own homes. (No I don’t download porn before anyone asks)

Not sure about the views about not exchanging ideas tho.

As far as the jokes go, I’d credit anyone who had their name on them, but all the free joke sites I subscribe to don’t menmtion names unfortunately. I see that as a stretch on the imagination as far as copyright but as I say, if there is a credit I am happy to acknowledge it.

But I am not actually copying paid-for jokes here, they are old (as peter normington has bought to my attention a few times) and free.

If I download a photo, and it is watermarked, I always leave the watermark. They know it will be copied, and in truth, rely on it to get their website better known.

The discussion here originally covered giving away paid-for fonts willy nilly if you like. As John rightly says, it is illegal. No matter how we feel about it personally, it is illegal.

If Myfonts triped over this site, and saw us giving away their fonts, do you think Rob would get a letter from their legal dept. In a heartbeat I’d suggest.

Posting the link takes the onus off the site, and puts it back on the downloader. It is his or her choice then.

As I have said countless times before, I am not being anyones concience here. Dave Foster raised an issue that has been raised before. I don’t think ignoring it and hoping it goes away is a defence if rob gets a *please explain* from Bitstream, as an example. in copyright law, UKSB’s would be contributing to the illegal act, as the *stolen* fonts would be on his server(s)

The best thing of course is that we can have a discussion on this in an open manner. It is good to get opinions one way or the other, but we must keep in mind the legal requirement too.

Cheers

[David Rogers]

quote Shane Drew:

You are right David, it was tongue in cheek. Was not meant to affend. I was laughing when I typed it…. honest… :lol1: :lol1: (I’m smiling now too – really trully)

Personally, as a result of this debate, I’m more inclined to offer the text as an eps if I have the paid font on my PC,

What a few of us think is the ‘best’ plan to combat any illegalities

quote :

I do get erked by people here – clearly non contributers – who troll the site looking for free stuff like fonts etc.

I agree, it gets trawled to hell with people looking for freebies.

quote :

I agree that we should each police our downloads, but realistically most don’t.

until discussions like this arise, nobody gives it a second thought.

quote :

Not sure about the views about not exchanging ideas tho.

I was just being facetious – taking it to the extreme!!

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As far as the jokes go, I’d credit anyone who had their name on them, but all the free joke sites I subscribe to don’t menmtion names unfortunately. I see that as a stretch on the imagination as far as copyright but as I say, if there is a credit I am happy to acknowledge it

But I am not actually copying paid-for jokes here, they are old (as peter normington has bought to my attention a few times) and free..

Ah, that would be MY turn for some tongue in cheek!!! 😛

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Cheers

G’night

Dave

[Richard]

quote David Rogers:

I could be entirely wrong here, but personally i now feel slightly reluctant to post any materials that could in any way construed as being copyrighted.

I don’t think copyright per se, is the important bit. In my opinion there’s a big difference between fonts and logos.

Fonts (the good ones at least) can take months to produce, often by professional typographers, who are as entitled as anyone to earn a living. Most of these typographers earn their living by selling licenses to use their fonts (not the corporate ones like London Underground’s New Johnston), either to individual users, or to software companies that include fonts with their programs.

Generally, I don’t swap fonts, but I’ll happily create (or request 😉 ) outlines of a few words.

I’ve never read it all, but I bet that the license behind the "Accept" button that we all click whenever we install any software has as much about using, copying, distributing etc the included fonts as it does about the program itself.

I’ve got a whole lot more to say about logos, but it’ll have to wait, I’m off to Twickenham for the Sevens