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  • Failed partial wrapping attempt – What went wrong?

    Posted by drogers4 on 11 October 2005 at 01:43

    Okay, I attempted to use rolands certified cast vinyl with oraguard 290 to cover the entire top of a mini cooper with a British flag. Though it was not “wrapping film” I thought I could still do it, man was I wrong.

    I printed the flag in 2 panels, running front to back (each panel was about 24″ X 74″. Though there is one monster of a sunroof that covers 2/3 of the top, I was going to trim this area out and use a perferated film. I started with the middle of the graphic and tried to do it one side at a time (only removing half of the backing). After only a few inches, the severe curve of the side of the roof started to give me problems and before I knew it, it was hopeless. I had to return the car to my customer with no flag (she only gave me 4 hours to complete the job) and I told her that things did not go as I planned and in order to achieve the full wrap I would need to order a different vinyl. 😳

    Do I need to convert to wrapping film? Or am I just too inexperienced? I have never wrapped anything, though I have done some recess work, but Have never had this type of experience with the curves. I completely underestimated the curves of the roof, especially the corners! Should I give it a go with wrapping vinyl, or go to school for wrapping? I do not want to embarass myself again if the wrapping vinyl does nothing for me.
    I have never used wrapping vinyl, but if it will dramatically simplify this job I will give it a shot. I would like to complete the job as I am already in the hole at least $75. If not, I will just cut my losses and move on.

    Any advice would be helpful, Thanks!
    Doyle

    Steve Maple replied 20 years, 1 month ago 7 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    11 October 2005 at 02:09

    hi mate, nothing worse than getting a live job and it going wrong, all i can say is practice will make perfect. lots of it at that!
    if you attempted this wet, then ide say there is your problem no1.
    although i haven’t done any mini roofs myself, i don’t think they look the hardest but then again i wouldn’t know. if you did the Union jack, was it an image of a flag or just bog standard flat logo? if so, ide have used cut vinyl, not prints. it would make application much easier too.. also, i think the flag stops short of the roof guttering by about 5 inches? so no real need to go right over. even if over, a decent cast vinyl would cope no probs on that shape of roof.

    here’s a mini i watched getting wrapped at signuk this year, the vinyl is grafiwrap with laminate. very nice vinyl to work with i think…
    if you look at the image you will see you need plety excess vinyl to play with while stretching into place. maybe not just as much as that but better safe than sorry…

  • Bryan Cabrera

    Member
    11 October 2005 at 03:32

    Hi Doyle,

    Never attempted a wrap but would like to in the very near future. Would love to hear how you make out on your second attempt.

    Not sure if you have seen Oracal’s instructional videoon their site http://www.oracal.com/global/CF_video.jsp but it may be of some help.

  • drogers4

    Member
    11 October 2005 at 04:13

    Rob, did it dry, as I never use wet method. And it is just a flat logo, no need to print but didn’t have any red or blue cast on hand so I thought it would be easier to print it.

    As for the flag going all the way to the edge, I noticed in an accessory book that my customer had that the one advertised shows the flag applied to a white roof (I assume), and the roof of her mini is black and she wanted to cover the whole roof.

    I am definately going to re-attempt this one. I hate to turn a customer away especially after I have already invested time and money on the job. I will try covering the roof with white first, then apply the red and blue in cut vinyl. I am planning on doing a wrap on my van soon so I need to figure this one out. Thanks for the advice and when the job is done I will post pics in the portfolio forum (will probably be next mon. or tues.)

    Bryan, yes I watched the video, but that guy makes it look so easy. I have had lots of experience applying vinyl, but I have a feeling doing a wrap will be like learning all over again. Thanks!

    Doyle

  • Phil Halling

    Member
    11 October 2005 at 07:13

    Were you doing it alone or did you have a helper?
    When you are trying to wrap a curve such as a mini roof it is always advisable to have two people one to apply the other to stretch, as rob says always give yourself plenty of excess to hold and stretch.
    We have also found that if you need to do it in two pieces you are better off splitting it across the roof rather than down the roof.
    Hope this helps
    Phil

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    11 October 2005 at 19:34

    Doyle, as Robert has already said a cast vinyl should have done this without any problems, don’t want to be to negative but from what you say I would guess that you need to practice a bit more before atempting this job again. As Phil has said when doing a wrap it is always easier with two people, if you work on your own try asking a freind if they can help you.
    Bit hard to explain but you really need someone pulling the vinyl in the direction you are squeegeeing if that makes sense.

  • drogers4

    Member
    12 October 2005 at 16:38

    Yes, I was doing it alone, my helper is out for a couple weeks. I know it would be easier to go across the roof, but wanted to minimize the number of panels needed. When I re-attempt this one I will have some help and will be practicing in the meantime. I will also do the panels across the roof instead of front to back.

    Thanks for the advice and hopefully I will be posting some pics of the finished job soon.

    Doyle

  • allsigns

    Member
    17 October 2005 at 05:32

    Well I think you are pretty brave.
    9 out of 10 of us wouldn’t try, but it looks like you will have a go until you succeed.
    Good luck
    Grant

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    19 October 2005 at 14:01

    ist the 05 models have a different rar aerial-you cant remove it

    -the upto 04 you can
    -the rear middle eye brake light is removeable
    torx tho t35

    all the rain gutter trim just un clips

    -these cars are coventry motors -ie they are shite-the clips break

    -anyway the roof
    -you have to stretch the sticky so much into the corners-ie at least 5 inches – so a straigth line -like that of a flag, would look crap

    you WILL have to either completely wrap the roof in white – YOU WILL need 5 ft 1525mm sticky

    pulling the corners in and hiding the trimming under the side plastic gutters and under the windsheild rubber

    -or the BEST way of doing it, is to have it painted white

    -then, it is a lickie stickie job

    -get it painted, cos you may still balls the wrap

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