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can i use cast on all signage apart from vehicles?
quote Andy Gorman:Rob that is all true, but the same could be said of forgetting what colour you used on a job. Anyone who knows what they are doing should be able to replicate a style throughout a line of products. If I have a van to sign 6 months after making a fascia sign I don’t start from scratch, I copy and paste any customised content so it’s all the same.I’m not disagreeing with your ethos, that’s your preference. All I’m saying is that a bit of tweaking isn’t necessarily wrong.
Jumping in to this topic because Andy brought up a good point regarding colour, If I did a vehicle now with say Oracal 751C and later on I have to do a sign, what vinyl do I use to match the colour? surely not use Cast vinyl on a sign 😕 I’m sure it can be done but at a cost, or have I missed a trick with vinyl colour matching?
As for fonts…………………. I’m a bast ard 😳
cheers
Warren
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warren, we use 751 cast on everything mate. it could be the cheapest foamex sign and its still cast on it. your a uksg member mate, your buying paying the lowest price for a repuatble cast i know of.
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I use cast vinyl on everything except for corosigns!
And I do NOT stretch fonts even if a customer wants me to.
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quote Robert Lambie:warren, we use 751 cast on everything mate. it could be the cheapest foamex sign and its still cast on it. your a uksg member mate, your buying paying the lowest price for a repuatble cast i know of.I was using 751C for everything but have started using 551 as it’s cheaper 😳 I find the 551 slightly easier to work with (especially when flood coating) I am a newbie to this after all :lol1:
but good to know that’s how you guys do it.
cheers
Warren
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quote Warren Beard:I was using 751C for everything but have started using 551 as it’s cheaper 😳 I find the 551 slightly easier to work with (especially when flood coating)I found exactly the same mate. Didn’t get on with the 751 at all well, & I’ve been using vinyl for 13 years now. Swapped to Avery 6 & 7 series vinyl now – much better stuff IMO – and cheaper too!
Don’t worry about the 551 fading before the cast either, as it’s 7/8 year vinyl as opposed to 5 year like most assume it is (from memory, the 551 is the old 751 anyway) so if a customer comes back after 7 years complaining about fade, the words door & ass spring to mind…
Anyway, back to stretching!
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I thought 551 was a 5-7 year where the old 751 was a 7year. That’s why we changed to avery 700 aswell as I’m not a fan of 751c for general use.
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quote Gavin MacMillan:I thought 551 was a 5-7 year where the old 751 was a 7year. That’s why we changed to avery 700 aswell as I’m not a fan of 751c for general use.
G
Who knows mate, but bottom line, if you’re using any 5-7 year vinyl, you shouldn’t be worrying about fade. It’s all we’ve ever used for general use, & never had a problem (*cough-except with graphtyp’s-cough*)
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Going by what it says on the oracal swatches 551 is a 70 micron film for medium to long term use over moderate curves. Up to 7 years exterior life.
Anyone need some sheep? I have some I need to get rid of quickly :lol1:
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quote Steele Signs:quote Warren Beard:I was using 751C for everything but have started using 551 as it’s cheaper 😳 I find the 551 slightly easier to work with (especially when flood coating)
I found exactly the same mate. Didn’t get on with the 751 at all well, & I’ve been using vinyl for 13 years now. Swapped to Avery 6 & 7 series vinyl now – much better stuff IMO – and cheaper too!
It is "not a fault" that cast is harder type of vinyl to apply, it is just the characteristics of using a cast vinyl. it is a thinner, higher tack, longer life vinyl so IS slightly harder to apply than that of a thicker lower tack calender vinyl.
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I also cannot get on with 751c, although I buy it at a brilliant price as a UKSG member, I will only use it if the customer specifies a colour not available in any other series or manufacturer 😳
I had to apply 751c to car windows yesterday, and because I went at it as I would with any other vinyl, I stuffed one side & had to cut another. Although no great deal, I then had to ‘plan’ how to get it on without ruining again.
Another vehicle needed the rear windows flood-coated, not my favorite job anyway, and although the 751 silver was a better match, I used another make 7-year instead, just to ensure that I did a decent job. Cop-out, but it got the job done!
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Hi Rob
That’s exactly it, I had to flood coat a large 4 x 4 foot panel and I ordered in a wide roll of 751C (only 5 meters as it was a strange colour) I tried so many times to get it down right, wet, dry, slightly wet, very wet, and had endless bubbles and creases, got down to my last piece of vinyl after many tries and had to get it right and was lucky that time or I would have had to order more.
Tried 551 on another piece to test and went down perfectly first time.
So I agree with you Rob, it is not a problem with the material but experience and probably technique which I am still working on 😳 and the thickness is probably the main reason it is easier to use.
I still like the cast and use it for most jobs but now use 551 as well for ease of use and also save a few pennies.
cheers
Warren
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This seems a very simple suggestion when flood coating a panel.
If at all possible…PAINT IT!
A can of 1-Shot is far cheaper than a big roll of vinyl, will finish like glass if properly applied, and cut vinyl lettering can be easily applied to it.
It will last 5-7 years too.I only use the 651 on window jobs and corosigns.
I’ve tried the 551 and found it brittle to weed, much like Mac Crap.
For vehicle lettering or any other type of sign I use the 751 or 851.
Or 3M or Calon II but NEVER Avery products…still stinging from their failures.I don’t do printing or wraps, but I did purchase a print from a colleague to be flood coated (a map) onto a 3’x4′ panel, it was 3M ControlTac with Comply and man-o-man was it ever a dream to work with. Expensive? You bet. Worth it? Absolutely.
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Trouble with painting Jill, is that it’ll take a day+ to dry, other than that, it’s a good suggestion. How many tins (236ml) do you reckon it’d take to cover an 8′ x 2′ sign? Vinyl would cost just over £3.00, excluding application tape costs.
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If properly primed (I use Kilz) it takes about a half-pint can of 1S (about $7) to coat out a 2×8.
Some primary colors may require a second coat but I have never had to double-coat.
You can add 1S hardener if desired.
You can apply vinyl the next day.
Dries to a beautiful glossy finish.
The secret is to use a foam roller cover and not to over-roll, making your last pass be almost a light drag across the surface to break any air bubbles. 1S levels out beautifully, as does Ronan paint.
Love…..Jill
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