• Bathroom Doors

    Posted by John Stevenson on 18 March 2007 at 13:27

    We did 285 small (A6 size) signs for a local hotel

    They contained an instruction to close the bathroom doors while showering to avoid steam in the rooms

    We printed on Oracal vinyl and over-laminated then mounted to some 2mm plastic

    Now, after just one month, some of the vinyl is lifting off the plastic. I can only think that some guests are ignoring the instruction and the steam is getting to the signs

    So, I’ve got to re-do and this time I need to use something that will stay stuck!

    Any suggestions please?

    John

    Duncan Wilkie replied 18 years, 9 months ago 7 Members · 12 Replies
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  • David Lowery

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 13:36

    Reverse engraving onto a coloured engraving laminate and infilling with the colour of your choice.

    Dave

  • John Stevenson

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 17:29

    Thanks Dave and maybe I should have thought of that in the first place

    I could probably have subcontracted the job and still made some profit

    But now we are in the situation where I’m going to have to pay for the new solution

    I’m thinking of the same job again, but using a vinyl that will stay stuck

    John

  • Mike Grant

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 20:02

    Screen print direct to the plastic substrate.

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 20:28

    mike and Dave’s are total solutions but why have yours failed.

    what oracal and laminate what ink load at the edges what plastic

    chris

  • Kevin Flowers

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 20:33

    John
    what vinyl & what plastic did you use, could be plasticizers in the plastic reacting with the vinyl glue. I would have thought Oracal 3651 as a minimum spec but may be 3551 or 3951 if the job warrants it.

    Kev

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 20:41

    thinking the same as kevin hence the questions

  • John Stevenson

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 21:04

    Hi Guys

    I need to be in the office before I can answer those questions

    tomorrow…

    John

  • David Rogers

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 21:47

    How about reverse applied acrylic. Say, 2 or 3mm clear with any colour of vinyl text or reverse printed clear on the rear, back sprayed in white & then white vinyl applied over that. It looks amazing – very high quality and as it’s totally sealed in – incredibly resistant to all forms of ‘weathering’.

    i do a fair amount of ‘vandal resistant’ signs this way (vinyl) – works great. Some of the reverse printed ones are even as good as they day they were done – 8 years ago.

    Dave

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 21:51
    quote :

    back sprayed in white & then white vinyl applied over that.

    dave does that stop the halo efect around the cut letters

    chris

  • David Rogers

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 22:00
    quote Chris Wool:

    quote :

    back sprayed in white & then white vinyl applied over that.

    dave does that stop the halo efect around the cut letters

    chris

    Yes, totally. The results look stunning. No ‘air halo’. Almost looks like screenprint – but sharper. And won’t fade like digital can.

    I’ve done literally hundreds of signs in this manner over the years.

    And ANY colour background can be achieved with a reasonable (not necessarily perfect coating of any colour paint. Say – a medium green – back it off with medium green vinyl – again seamless & perfect results.

    You HAVE to use the correct paint for the job or it WILL lift. Normally a high solvent car style paint.

    Recently did a sign & sprayed it with ‘Hycote’ white from a motor factors
    http://www.autosave-scotland.co.uk/shop … 42&pman=57

    did the trick nicely.

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    18 March 2007 at 22:11

    top tip thank you dave

  • Duncan Wilkie

    Member
    19 March 2007 at 03:06

    David is bang on here. We also use the same techniques. Works great. Use a clear non-glare grade of acrylic for a nice satin finish that hides a lot of minor flaws and doesn’t show finger prints. I’m not sure if you have Krylon brand "Fusion" spray bombs over there. It sticks to vinyl and acrylic.
    http://www.krylon.com/main/product_template.cfm?levelid=5&sub_levelid=10&productid=1751&content=product_details

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