• Robert Lambie

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:38

    Printed or cut vinyl?
    cheap banner or quality banner material?

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:41

    I buy my banner from DC hoult in Nottingham. Good quality stuff around £2.20 a metre.

  • Marcella Ross

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:42
    quote KARL WILLIAMS:

    Now we’ve got the intelligent bunch on here, can I ask advice on banner prices. Per s/m?

    ………… couldn’t agree more ………….. couldn’t agree more.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:46
    quote KARL WILLIAMS:

    I buy my banner from DC hoult in Nottingham. Good quality stuff around £2.20 a metre.

    not what i asked mate. :lol1: :lol1:

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:47

    I sorry didn’t realise that only intelligent people were allowed this time of day, I’ll have to log off again :lol1:

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:54

    Sorry Rob, Tired. Printed on quality material. 😉

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    3 June 2007 at 23:57

    Well go home to bed then Karl, I would but I can’t figure out how to log off :lol1: :lol1:

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 00:00

    Martin, this site is like a drug mate. I want me fix! 😀
    Anyway, to busy to go home.. Have a job to fit at 6am.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 00:06

    i tend to go for as much as i can, but that normally comes down to the customer. by that i mean you get a feeling for what you can ask for price wise. if i know they are just wanting something cheap but it is still print on banner ill go in at about £40-£45per metre…. if they want a large banner a bit can be deducted but not much unless its BIG. you still have the exact same amount of work ahead of you after all… we don’t stock budget banner material because it looks rather naff and terrible to work with. at the end of the day you are only saving a few quid on the banner because it still has to be printed the same and hemmed same as a quality banner, so no savings anywhere else.
    these prices are based on the banner artwork being handed over on disk ready to go.
    i know some do not hem the banner but i always do. the ink makes the banner curl. we did samples for someone a few years ago, i walked into their shop 3 weeks later and i was embarrassed by the banners pinned on the wall we had given them. between staples the banner had curled badly. some didn’t even have much ink coverage at all… so nowadays they all get the same amount of work/quality.

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 00:14

    Thanks Rob. I quoted a guy on Saturday £200 for one the same size as i have on my shop, 3m x 1m. He thought that was cheap. Then there’s sign co in Mapperly who charges £90 and buys his matts from the same place as I do.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 00:23

    let them charge this amount mate, ignore it… they will be the busy fools.
    yes you "might" loss the odd job to them based on price but unless your gonna start a undercutting war that will only waste your time and stress you out. just move on…. if you don’t, he will drop lower than you, you will drop lower than him etc until one of you go bust. even if this is your competition that goes under, you will then have to get your prices back to where they should be and that’s not an easy task…

    just have a figure you wish to keep to… £40 is a good average. if you can get a bit more great, if the order is a decent size then lower the price slightly as an added incentive for your customer. but have a "lowest" price you will go too and dont budge. saying "sorry, but theres nothing in this job for me if i go any lower" is the way to go, leave the ball in their court. if they walk you were not getting the job anyway.

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 00:24

    Karl, we talked a bit about this, you are going to have to forget what other people are doing and sell your stuff on quality, you know you do a quality job and I am pretty sure the other guy can’t be doing much of a job at that price.

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 00:37

    The busy idiot thing has already crossed my mind mate on the other guy.
    Some guys in this game are just prats that hope for a bit of cash.
    Martin. I remember the topic well. I wont budge from the right price for the job and no I don’t let it stress me out. Im in the process of sending banner samples out and was looking for an average charge and good advice of which I have received. Thanks chaps.

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 01:05

    Karl, I’m glad to hear it mate, this guy actually might be doing you a favour, have you ever thought of that? In my experience those that only wanted cheap cheap cheap were normally the first to complain and the last to pay, let him have all the headaches while you target the companies that put the quality of the job first and are happy to pay a bit more for something that makes them look good. They normally pay up a bit quicker and appreciate the good work you do for them.

  • Ian Higgins

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 08:05

    Hi,

    I have a simple scale we use providing customer supplies artwork.

    Banners using vinyl.
    £8 per Ft up to 2ft
    £12 up to 3ft
    £16 up to 4ft.

    For printed we charge
    £12 up to 2ft
    £18 up to 3ft
    £21 up t0 4ft

    I know there are plenty of cheaper companys about but at the end of the day we still seem to produce quite a few…

    Cheers
    Ian

  • John Harding

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 21:10

    Ian

    quote :

    I know there are plenty of cheaper companys about but at the end of the day we still seem to produce quite a few

    no I dont think there are many cheaper companies – least not around my way – your probably doing a few because your on the cheap side IMHO – although my clients dont supply artwork thats ready to go and I note you said artwork supplied

    John

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 21:27

    Banners are available, finished for the trade at around £16-£18 quid a sm
    Add a mark up and hardly seems worth doing yourself?

    Fine if you can get £60 a sm. good luck, but never mind the busy fools, this is what the trade suppliers, and no names mentioned, are currently charging. Most are making a good living. Print is no longer expensive, its as cheap as chips,
    I doubt if McDonalds B&Q or KFC pay anything like the prices mentioned here for their banners.

    OK a one off demands a premium

    Just my 2p

    Peter

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 21:45

    Peter I agree with you that the price of print has come down and down, in fact sometimes it seems it would be cheaper to apply a print rather than several colours of cut vinyl but I still think £90 for a 3 mtr x 1 mtr banner is far to cheap. someone working for themselves is going to be paying a hell of a lot more for materials than a trade supplier and will also probably be paying more for the equipment and servicing. As I don’t run a printer I have no real idea of the production costs and as this is an open forum won’t even ask but it just seems to me that charging that sort of money they can’t be making to much of a living. I suppose a lot depends on just how much of this they do and what other business they do but if they are that cheap for banners I would have thought any other work they did would also be pretty cheap.

    Just my 3p worth :lol1:

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 22:02

    Martin, A 3x1m banner costs about £18 in materials
    about 20 minutes machine time, and 15 minutes finishing, that’s why people who specialise, can turn them out all day, and make profit,
    What I am saying is if you are set up for banners, then they are cheap, low res and quick turn over.

    The reason we are seeing more and more printed banners around, is simply because the price has fallen as more and more sign shops can afford the printers.
    Market forces will always dictate the price of the end product, we are in a world of do it quick, do it cheap, but sell loads.

    never ignore the busy fools, they may not be as foolish as you think…

    Peter

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 22:09

    Peter, you know far more about it than me obviously because I don’t own a printer. I have to be honest and say that I thought the material prices would be a lot more.

    As for ignoring people, one thing I have learned is never to ignore anyone. Concentrate on what you do yourself best and price yourself for the type of market you would like but always keep one eye on everyone else and what they are doing no matter what you think of them personally.

  • Andrew Boyle

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 22:14
    quote martin:

    As for ignoring people, one thing I have learned is never to ignore anyone. Concentrate on what you do yourself best and price yourself for the type of market you would like but always keep one eye on everyone else and what they are doing no matter what you think of them personally.

    Very nicely put 😀

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    4 June 2007 at 22:20
    quote Andrew Boyle:

    quote martin:

    As for ignoring people, one thing I have learned is never to ignore anyone. Concentrate on what you do yourself best and price yourself for the type of market you would like but always keep one eye on everyone else and what they are doing no matter what you think of them personally.

    Very nicely put 😀

    I will second that,

    just to make things clear, I was NOT implying that Martin was ignoring anything, or anyone.

    he never does

    Peter

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    7 June 2007 at 00:53

    Ignoring the ignoring thing. Martin wrote earlier and so did I about busy idiots, and I stand by that. But you have to and I certainly do keep a close eye on the competition and what they are charging all the time.
    If you don’t then I think you are being a fool. (present company excepted)
    If you don’t do this, you can’t call yourself a businessman and expect to stay one step ahead. Rat race springs to mind!

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