Banner fixing to cladding & planning question

[Warren Beard]

Hi Alistair

I think it is different in different areas. I had to get permission to put a banner up as I was told it does not always matter what material you use it is the appearance that is taken in to account, even the customers colour was rejected (Red) and had to change to a dark Blue 😕

I heard the building next door put a banner up to avoid permission and was forced to remove it, you can still see the holes where it was mounted. 😕

I suggest phone the council as I did and get a quick answer.

Cheers

Warren

[Robert Lambie]

im not sure on planning issues mate, they do vary allot place to place…
fixings? well tech screws with oversized washers is fine.

[Pryam Carter]

At sign UK i saw a great system for banners, looks dead easy to install and the banners look fantastic as you can get the tension spot on all the way round.

http://www.spirit-displays.com

[Craig Brown]

quote Alistair Richards:

First question is, (I know this depends on various councils), but can a banner avoid planning issues could you could class it as temporary signage??

Councils will still deam the banner as Signage (Town and Country Planning act 2007) so won’t get you round any planning issues…really is dependant on how proactive the council are and whether any of the builders neighbours drop him in it.

[derek longhaven]

Why are you getting involved with planning issues?
That’s the responsibility of the buyer, not you the signmaker.
Would a car trader refuse to sell you a car if you didn’t have a driving licence? Answer is no.

You should do only as instructed regarding manufacture and fitting. It’s their responsibility to ensure they have the correct permission, not yours, don’t ever get involved with the legal wrangles or you’ll just end up with compliant legal headaches.

FWIW flexible banners are deemed temporary signage and not subject to planning issues, (why do you think the popularity in banners has soared) this only occurs if they run across a highway or fixed to council lamposts, conservation area, etc.

[Peter Normington]

There is always the statutory rights issue of "fit for purpose."
if you supply something without advising of its suitability, then you may be liable.
better be safe than face costs, banners are not except from planning in most areas,

Peter

[Craig Brown]

quote derek longhaven:

FWIW flexible banners are deemed temporary signage and not subject to planning issues, (why do you think the popularity in banners has soared) this only occurs if they run across a highway or fixed to council lamposts, conservation area, etc.

try telling that to Grantham Council after serving a notice on a customer of ours to remove a banner from their building…once fixed to a building it’s no longer a temporary sign "their words not mine"

I’ve also had a good read through this http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20070783_en.pdf ,if you can find anything that says banners on buildings don’t need consent let me know.

At the end of the day Alistair asked a couple of questions, I gave an answer based on my experience, he can now take that information and make an informed decision

[Gavin MacMillan]

I would agree that banners don’t avoid the planning regs, but ‘fit for purpose’ doesn’t come into it (this is about standard of workmanship/choice of materials etc, not legalities over positioning). Our local council takes planning on a case by case basis and therefore we can’t even advise our customers – basically the rule is we don’t know and it’s the customers responsibility. I don’t see any need for a signmaker to get involved.

Just my tuppence

G

[Stephen Morriss]

I would have thought the planning issue is more about the fixings than the sign materials.

Any fixings that require a tool to remove them are permanent, any fixings that you can remove by hand without tools are not.

So a banner or any sign held on by say bungee cord will be temporary and the same sign held on by screws, bolts etc is permanent.

Steve

[Kevin Flowers]

Hi
had a customer in Chelmsford, put a banner up for him he recieved a 7 day notice to remove or action would be taken, that was on bungees. When he argued the case he received a visit from planning to inspect rest of signage and they tried to insist that is other signage was to high. Luckily the new signage was fitted like for like over an existing forecourt canopy that had stood for years so they had to back down on that one, but they made him remove the banner.

Kev

[Stephen Morriss]

It’s the sort of thing that makes you want to get a big ugly artic trailer and have your sign on that.

But then I like to think I’m a rebel :lol1:

Steve