banner advice please

[David Lowery]

Would have had air pockets put in to negate any high winds 😕

[Kevin Flowers]

John
if its been strung across the road as in fastened at each end then the contractors installed it wrong. If i’m going to do anything like that i fasten a rope across & then attach the banner to that. There are actually regulation for banners across a road.

Kev

[Nigel Pugh]

Up 3x and down 3x and then there is the way it was stored away to consider on 3 occasions.

Now putting it up I would gather the general bod would be careful has not to botch the job, taking it down may not have been with has much care, not going to see that banner for another 12 months and by then who would care !!

Just my tuppence worth.

Nigel

[Peter Normington]

My thoughts,
A banner is by nature a temporary sign, so to get three years use, albeit a few weeks at a time, is acceptable. After 3 years I cant see any claim against you, as to suitability. It depends on what you were asked to supply in the first place, did the client specify they would store it after each showing, and want to use it indefinitely, and did you point out the restrictions of a banner, and give instructions on its care and limitations??

If its a good customer, as a good will gesture, I would reiterate the use of a banner and its suitability, and then offer them a 10% discount on a replacement,

If you weren’t responsible for the install, removal, and storage. then I would say its not your problem.

Peter

[John Harding]

Thanks all for the replies ive found a pic dont think I can post in this forum though

Kevin

The banner was hung from a steel hawser or similar across the road and anchored from the lower end eyelets by way of rope to stop it spinning over, it did seem to be a reasonable method of fastening so no complaints as far as I could see.

Storage well the normal folded or rolled into a cupboard or garage its not going to greatly affect things but I always advise to roll around a cardboard tube, normally graphics outermost but in this instance not possible as graphics on both sides.

peter

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I would reiterate the use of a banner and its suitability

what would you have said? please expand – there is no alternative in this instance ie. over the road hence the only suitable option.

Thanks again

John

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[Martin Pearson]

banners that span public areas are subject to LOLA under health and safety legislation and are required to have a wire rope suitable for the job so the banner was defiantly installed incorrectly by the other contractor. If they asked for a banner to span a public area then I would imagine that the wrong banner was supplied John but only you know what was asked for by the customer. I would say that the company that installed it should have refused to put it up in 2003 as it didn’t meet the requirements but as they did then they accepted responsibility for it.

I don’t have the LOLA requirements to hand but will try and sort them out tomorrow and post.

[John Harding]

Martin

As i said above the banner was suspended from a wire rope, although no specific requirements of the banner were asked for and hence i supplied what the banner manufacturer recommended.

If you know there is something specific I am missing please let me know as I will be replacing the said item but as yet I am none the wiser

John

[Martin Pearson]

John the wire rope should run all the way through the banner not just be attached to the eyelets on each end, if you told the supplier this then they may have supplied you an incorrect product.

[John Harding]

Martin methinks you missunderstand there was a wire from one building to the other i will try and post elsewhere for explanation

https://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.p … 103#195103

John

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[Martin Pearson]

John, that might be the case, I am very easy to confuse !!! Was there a wire from one building to the other and the banner attached by a seperate rope through the eyelets and around the wire strung between the buildings because it is suppose to be a wire that runs through a pocket on the banner

[John Harding]

martin the above link should explain

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[Kevin Flowers]

John
with out seeing how the banner failed its hard to say, but looking at your photo i would say the problem occurred in the way they secured the bottom of the banner. I would have again suspended a cable across the road. As it is all the stress has been placed on the lower fixing points which increased with the wind load. I would say that either the eyelets ripped out or the banner actually ripped up due to the bottom fixing.

Kev

[John Harding]

Thanks Kevin thats an interesting point would others agree and do it this way also?

Secondly would you have supplied the banner in any different way material wise.

Thanks again for any thoughts

John

[Dave Harrison]

Hi John

I don’t think I can offer much to the theories already suggested as to why the banner failed, but I think Peter made a good point.

I would also question the serviceable life of such a product, given the environment and location it is intended to be used.
As of the installation company / fitters, I feel they have been very unprofessional if only now after 3 years of fitting the item, they have discovered / are suggesting it is unsuitable !

At the end of the day trade suppliers are pretty good and selling the right product if they know all the specs .

I think I’d be looking for a new fitters !

I hope you get this sorted

Dave

( P.s I envy you working in wimbledon village with all that posh tottie ! )

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[George Elsmore]

you supplied the banner in 2003! i smell a client fishing for a new banner for nothing!! IMHO they have had there monies worth tell them to go whistle 😕

[Marcella Ross]

quote George Elsmore:

you supplied the banner in 2003! i smell a client fishing for a new banner for nothing!! IMHO they have had there monies worth tell them to go whistle 😕

Absolutely!!!!!

A banner is temporary ………. besides you’ve no idea how they stored it either, and you didn’t fit it. Tell them to shove off!

[Shane Drew]

Hi mate, I agree with what has been said here. 3 years is a good life for a banner undergoing the wind stress that would have been placed on it.

I would have put air holes in though, it would have reduced that stress considerably, but 3 years is still not a bad life span.

The weakest link is always going to be the eyelets in this situation. So anything to relieve the tension applied to them will help. Air holes are the best option in this instance.

[Harry Cleary]

quote Shane Drew:

I would have put air holes in though,

Hi Shane,
How would you do this? Never did it or seen it done.

[Martin Pearson]

John, its a tricky one really because there are so many people involved, you supplied the banner but someone else fitted it and a third party probably stored it. Plastics can and do break down over time especially if not stored correctly so the fault could be with the customer themselves.
As for the fitting the Company that fitted it didn’t say anything until it failed, if it was the wrong material why wait until after they had installed it 4 times to say anything. If there is a wire at the top all the way across the road but the bottom has a wire just running to the eyelet then like Kevin has said this is asking for trouble especially as the bottom wires seem to be pulling the banner downwards and look to be quite tight. Do you know what the nature of the failure is because if one or both of the bottom eyelets have pulled out I would put that down to an installation problem and they are passing the buck.
As has been said before though 3 years is a good life anyway as they are classed as temporary signage and even if it has only been used for a couple of weeks each year the product itself is still 3 years old. If you took something back to a shop and said you had bought it 3 years ago but hadn’t used it very much and it was broken they would just laugh at you.

[Shane Drew]

quote Harry Cleary:

[quote=”Shane Drew”

I would have put air holes in though,

Hi Shane,
How would you do this? Never did it or seen it done.

Harry, here you can order banners with air holes, although I don’t do that. I’ll lay the vinyl, or print them, and then use the non signed space between the letters to put the flaps.

All I do is get a can of something as a cutting template, usually dog food, sit it on the banner, and cut just past half way round the can. That way, you’ll have a flap that will hang down and close the hole when there is no wind, and open up when the wind blows..

Never cut a square hole tho, as the banner will rip at the squared corners, as that is the weakest point. A circular hole will not have a weak point because it is one long cut. I hope that makes sense.

Make sure you use a new blade tho as the cut needs to be clean. Some guys here cut the holes right out, but I don’t like the ‘look’ of holes in the banner.

Hope that explains it Harry.

Cheers