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avery easy apply
right, hopefully one of you guys an gals can answer this one for me, (cos getting a straight answer out of my suppliers just isnt happening)
i have been told that the avery easy apply VWS vinyl is no longer being manufactured, due to 3m saying that they have copied the design and spec of the material, and so are suing them, or taking them to court (whichever) and the material is no longer available!
deep joy!any ideas anyone!
jas
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na, it’s news to me.
Avery told me here that, yes they did get sued, and yes they did lose the court case, but they have ‘come to an arrangement’ to keep using and manufacturing the product. All that means is that they agreed to pay 3M royalties on past sold stock, and any new stock sold in the future.
I’ve been buying Avery Easy Apply for a while, and my Avery rep is pushing hard for me to keep buying it, rather than moving over to the 3M product.
In short, I don’t think it is true.
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cheers shane
will get on ripping my supplier to bits then, cant see why they just didnt tell the truth to me!!
jas
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quote jason price:cheers shane
will get on ripping my supplier to bits then, cant see why they just didnt tell the truth to me!!
jas
mate here’s the legal judgement. http://www.fr.com/news/2006/Oct/2006-09 … s%20PI.pdf
Bit confusing, but worth a read before you talk to your supplier 😕
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thanks shane!!!
your a star!
jas
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… and if that doesn’t put you to sleep, then you should read this http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/g … &no=031203 😕
Having read them both through, I’ll be seeking a comment from Avery here in the morning 😕
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quote jason price:thanks shane!!!
your a star!
jas
no worries mate, it actually forced me to do some research too, instead of taking my reps word for it 😳
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Like Shane said, yes Avery did lose the 3M court case but they have resumed production of their EZ product line and are using a new waffle-pattern on their material which allows them to continue using the technology. Their EZ RS material which is completely new also utilizes the EZ technology and is even easier to install.
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So, what’s the position with Oracal and RapidAir?
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John get on with your holiday this will still be here when you get back 🙄 is it warm out there ?? please say no ….. and go get your breakfast :lol1: :lol1:
Lynn
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i could be wrong here so no chucking any bad tomato’s :lol1:
Avery did loss the legal battle and may have paid back royalties like has been said, but now pay for the license to use the patent, and continue to do so.
I would then see this as the reason companies Like Oracal, MACtac and the like, all now offering their "own" versions of the patent. As they too will be paying a license on the patent.All this said, 3M pulled promoting their Control-tac as an ezy-apply vehicle wrap years back. why???
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quote Robert Lambie:i could be wrong here so no chucking any bad tomato’s :lol1:
Avery did loss the legal battle and may have paid back royalties like has been said, but now pay for the license to use the patent, and continue to do so.
I would then see this as the reason companies Like Oracal, MACtac and the like, all now offering their “own” versions of the patent. As they too will be paying a license on the patent.All this said, 3M pulled promoting their Control-tac as an ezy-apply vehicle wrap years back. why???
Thy actually lost the court case based on how the glue was applied to the material. It was a two part process that ‘copied’ 3M’s patented process.
I think the others, Oracal etc, use a single process to achieve the same conclusion.
If you compare the Oracal against the 3m products, the backing paper seems to have clear differences. 3M’s process uses ‘balls’ of glue that are flattened when pressed hard. Oracal doesn’t, but is based on the glue releasing air through a grid pattern.
Compared to application 3M is still a product that will get bubbles but is hard to move them out from under the film. By comparison, Avery and Oracal are a dream to work with when bubbles are found under the film.
I never used the early Avery so can’t comment, but based on Georges comment, it has obviously changed. Ive used 3M control tac, Oracal and the new Avery for a fair while.
Cheers
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i see where your coming from shane.
i thought it wasnt possible to copy a patent by changing/altering something slightly? i thought that was something only possible with the likes of a copyright? -
quote Robert Lambie:i see where your coming from shane.
i thought it wasnt possible to copy a patent by changing/altering something slightly? i thought that was something only possible with the likes of a copyright?When the patent is for the ‘two system process’, anyone that comes up with a similar result, but using a single or 3 layer process, is in the clear Rob. As long as they can prove it is not a two system process as per the 3M copyright.
If they patented the ezy apply idea, it may be a different story, but you can’t patent an idea or concept, you can only copyright it, from what I understand.
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wow!
see, you guys know all the stuff eh!!
thanks all for the comments and info, i am well armed to shout at my little supplier man!!!
jas
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