are these pantone numbers available in vinyl?

[Marcella Ross]

who’s vinyl do you normally use? 286 is a ultramarine blue. But I will give you refs if you have a preferred range.

[Tris Gee]

Hi

i had my first lot of vinyl from mulberry design and print, it was local to where i work, Birkenhead, and i thought reasonable price approx £6 per roll. The make is Ritrama.

I was going to try oracal range, that i just found that they do. so either would do pls.

And would i need 651, 551…?
Another question, my cutter s max cutting width is 700mm, the max width of vinyl i could get through it is 800mm, are these sizes available? as i need to cut out a box which is 613mm, 3 mm bigger than 610mm vinyl.
I could poss reduce box down, but worried that vinyl might not go through straight, thus leaving me with a waste

Any help appreciated!

Tris

[Peter Normington]

750/60 is a standard size, some times with sprockets.
Ultramarine doesn’t match your pantone ref, not avery, oracle or mac.
well not according to my book anyway, but depends how close you need to be.

Peter

[Marcella Ross]

I would say that colour is an Ultramarine shade of blue ………. I didn’t give any references Peter. It actually sits in between a few shades of Oracal vinyls.
I’ve been given that reference before and got away with Metamark Ultramarine Blue. It’s not a million miles. 😉

[Peter Normington]

It depends, like I said, on how close a match the client wants,
but it it is not ultramarine Marcella, the point of PMS is to get an exact match,

x

Peter

[Robert Lambie]

Avery do actual panton matched coloured vinyl but ide imagine it wont be cheap.

[John Childs]

quote Peter Normington:

the point of PMS is to get an exact match

Yes, in theory, but it doesn’t work in practice.

Often there is not a direct vinyl equivalent to a Pantone number.

Even where there is, the vinyl will look different to the Pantone swatch because vinyl is a lot more solid colour than ink on paper, has a lot more density, different reflectivity etc etc.

Matching Pantone to vinyl is more art than science and usually, unless the client is prepared to pay for custom vinyl, involves compromise to a greater or lesser degree.

[Peter Normington]

John,
thats what I was saying, if you asked for a pantone match, then that’s what the client wants, I always give them a sample for them to sign off before supply, and explain the difficulty in matching,
Vinyls, because the are solid colours usually match better than cymk anyway.

Peter

[Chris Dowd]

And don’t forget Coated and Uncoated!

We matched (as best as possible) to Pantone Coated on a job, when the designer looked at it he had created it using uncoated, quite a colour difference!

[George Elsmore]

quote Tris Gee:

Hi

i had my first lot of vinyl from mulberry design and print, it was local to where i work, Birkenhead, and i thought reasonable price approx £6 per roll. The make is Ritrama.

Tris

£6 per roll 😮

[Marcella Ross]

think that might be a typo G :lol1:

[John Childs]

Or a one metre roll. 😀

[Phill Fenton]

quote Chris Dowd:

And don’t forget Coated and Uncoated!

We matched (as best as possible) to Pantone Coated on a job, when the designer looked at it he had created it using uncoated, quite a colour difference!

Good point Chris. I have never been sure what was meant by coated and uncoated pantone shades. I had assumed it meant one was glossy the other matt – can someone clarify this for me?

[John Childs]

quote Phill:

I have never been sure what was meant by coated and uncoated pantone shades. I had assumed it meant one was glossy the other matt – can someone clarify this for me?

I’ve always assumed the same.

[George Elsmore]

me 3

[Warren Beard]

Hi Guys

They are the same colour but printed onto a matt surface and not a glossy surface. The shine on the gloss promotes reflectiveness which makes it appear brighter and also because it is gloss less of the ink is absorbed in to the material. Matt surface absorbs more ink and reflects less so the colour appears dull.

The 2 swatches are supplied in a pantone book to show what the difference will look like depending on what material you print on to using the same colour ink.

Hope that makes sense.

cheers

Warren

[Chris Dowd]

Thanks Warren, I wondered what the difference was too, and you explained it well.

It is surprising how much of colour difference there is in the two though!

[Warren Beard]

No problem, it is hard to believe but then again do you have any idea how many shades of white there are? 😕

cheers

Warren

[Lynn Normington]

not exactly how many, Warren but it gives thought to the statement black is black or white is white depends what swatches you are looking at 🙄

Lynn

[Lorraine Clinch]

I have a few questions about Pantone books, going to start a new thread, so as not to hijack this one 😕

[George Elsmore]

shoot

[Warren Beard]

quote Lynn:

not exactly how many, Warren but it gives thought to the statement black is black or white is white depends what swatches you are looking at 🙄

Lynn

I went to many colour training courses when I was in the print game and how many times I saw newbies falling for the old "is this white" trick was really funny. They would show a white square and ask if it was white, of course they all say yes, then they bring up another white square and ask if that was white (this square now whiter than the last), and again they all say yes, the instructor does this about 5 times and every time they all say yes thinking it is white when it is not because he keeps putting up another square that is whiter. By the end of it they are all too scared to answer in case he brings up another whiter square. This was how the newbies to the colour game were introduced to the colour white, there are 100’s of shades of white. :lol1:

sorry for the long boring story

cheers

Warren

[Phill Fenton]

:sleep:

[Phill Fenton]

:lol1: Just Kidding Warren

[Warren Beard]

quote Phill:

:lol1: Just Kidding Warren

I know, sometimes you are just Phill of poo :lol1:

although I bet you enjoyed your nap 😉