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  • applied clear anti-vinyl, and its bubbling anyone know why?

    Posted by Mark S on 6 August 2005 at 03:00

    I have just used clear vinyl as a Anti Vandal Layer if that’s the best way to describe my theory?

    Basically i wasn’t too happy with the Results?
    Or is it just me or did i use the wrong product?

    This is the logo i created,

    It was applied to the "Outside" of a Shop Door. (Tinted Glass hence outside).

    So i thought that by applying this final Layer of Clear Matt Vinyl would result in a better finish, while protecting the job too.

    It seemed to Dull the job, but it seemed to create a cushion layer?
    Its difficult to explain….
    It seemed to be filled with millions of bubbles, not the normal ones you can push out.
    But i found that if i rolled the final layer they begun to disappear.

    But they wouldn’t all come out 🙁
    I used the roller for over 30 mins on a 60cm x 6cm logo.
    To try and get the best finish i could, but there didn’t seem to be any more improvement after that.

    Ive offered to do the whole job again as its only me that wasn’t happy with the results.
    I will call back in a few days to see if it has settled and hopefully looks better to me.

    Personally i was really happy with the job until that final clear layer went on, and at the time wished i hadn’t used it.

    Tips?
    Advice?
    Has it happened to you?

    Mark.

    Mark S replied 20 years, 3 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
  • 5 Replies
  • Shane Drew

    Member
    7 August 2005 at 10:24

    Mark, a matt finish will always dull a print, and a gloss finish will always lift a print. It is to do with light refraction.

    You don’t say if you did the final layer wet?

    If dry, the bubbles will come out with a few hot days, if it is a cast laminate. If it is poly or monomeric, it may take longer. Little bubbles are not uncommon either if the day is humid. The only reason it is an issue as far as looks go is that it is a clear. You would have the same little bubbles in the opaque film, just you don’t see it because of the colour.

    Did you use a felt squeegee to apply the final clear? This will usually give a better result. Never been a fan of a roller, but it is just a personal preference.

    End of the day, I wouldn’t worry too much. The more layers you have, the more chance of air being trapped. Check it in a week, and I’d be surprised if the graphic has not improved a heap.

    Cheers
    Shane

  • John Harding

    Member
    7 August 2005 at 10:32

    just to back up on what shane sais, im sure it will improve, changing temperature chases out the little blighters 🙂

    Shane the difference here to you there is the climate obviously, and I have found it may take up to a month here depends on vinyl used and time of year done but dont worry mark im sure it will improve done wet or dry. 😀

    John

  • Mark S

    Member
    7 August 2005 at 16:35

    Thanks for the replies Guys.

    This means i can re visit with a little more confidence…
    I did say a hundred times “Don’t worry they will come out in a week or so”
    But i wasn’t really that sure using the clear vinyl..

    Dis

    All layers applied “Dry”
    It was Humid (Strange for the UK)
    I did use a Felt Squeegee to apply all the Layers.
    I only Pulled out the Roller as it seemed to improve the situation.

    John

    Thanks for the reassurance crossing my fingers.

    I will hunt this topic out again in a month or so and post a review of the situation.
    And a picture if its cleared up lol…

    Cheers Guys Mark.

  • Gordon Forbes

    Member
    7 August 2005 at 23:49

    I think what you are describing is what they call silvering because you “laminated” without a laminator I get this everytime with hand laminated prints and I don’t know if they come out or not the only way I got rid of a lot of it is with mucho pressure ,slowly and on glass to bet the smoothes surface I could to laminate on. My answer buy a laminator as I am going to do. One of the hand crank ones should do me. If I can find the UK rep Think it was adrian who tried to get that as far as I can gather from the boards here.

    Goop

  • Mark S

    Member
    8 August 2005 at 00:15

    Part of my Learning curve i guess.

    Silvering, yeah i think that would describe it best.

    Hence the Roller came out with Mucho Little Pressure…
    (Picked up on a previous topic about breaking glass so i was cautious.)

    I applied the layers on site,
    as it was just too big to try and prep and take with me.

    So its win some loose some.

    But hopefully when i visit again this week it may have improved.

    Thanks for the Advice Forbie.
    In the future i will be looking at a big laminator as confidence builds
    and i have some money in my pocket.

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