about to open account with europoint what vinyl will i order

[Shane Drew]

551 is a 5-7year outdoor and indoor poly. 751c is a 7-8year cast, 851 is a 8-10 year cast.

they have 6 series too, but here in oz I’d rather use the 5 & 7 series due to our huge temperature ranges.

Hope that helps mate

[Hugh Potter]

i currently use 651 for nearly all my work, i had used several before it, but find it the easiest to work with, especially for small weeding etc,

[Nicola McIntosh]

quote Hugh Potter:

i currently use 651 for nearly all my work, i had used several before it, but find it the easiest to work with, especially for small weeding etc,

in my experience 751 is better to weed..its effortless, 651 to me seems a bit more brittle and tends to take longer to weed anything smaller 😀

nik

[Lynn Normington]

with Nik on this Hugh 751 as it is now upgraded to a cast

Lynn

[Hugh Potter]

i’ve not yet used the 751 cast as my supplier dosnt yet have it in stock as cast, or at least the woman i spoke to is going to query it for me, as soon as they have it in i will get some to try out, and most likely give it go,

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[Martin Pearson]

If you don’t mind me asking Hugh in what area do you do most of your work? Reason I ask is because if it’s mainly vehicles you might want to consider 751.
I used to use 651 and then bought 751 in for any jobs where reccesses/curves were involved. I nearly got caught out a couple of times where the colours didn’t quite match or I thought I had more 751 than I actually did have. I was also finding it becomming more expensive as I was stocking 2 ranges of vinyl. As there is not that much difference in the price of the 2 I now just use 751. OK so some things work out a couple of quid more for materials but at least I have cut down on the number of rolls of vinyl I have in stock and I always know that I have enough of the right material to do any job that comes in.

[Robert Lambie]

i agree with all comments so far. we use 751 only… helps with stock like martin says too… weeding, fitting, performance etc in my opinon is much better than 651, but of then again, your buying cast over calander vinyl so of course it should be.
thing to watch when people upgrade is cast is thinner, stickier, more stretchy etc so with all its good performamce… it may give some thats used to thicker cheaper vinyl a bit of a shock when handling/fitting.

[drogers4]

So 751 is ideal for recesses/curves etc.? I too have been thinking of changing to 751 from 651 and if 751 is good for all types of recess work, I am sure that I will switch.

Doyle

[Phill Fenton]

Since 751 series was recently upgraded to a cast vinyl, I wondered what others thought of the changes.

Personally I prefer the finish (It’s much more glossy than the old 751 vinyl) but I have found it more difficult too weed. Also with the onset of cooler weather here I have noticed it seems to be much more brittle than the old vinyl. Typicaly lettering will tear much more easily than before. I actually prefer the older version of 751

[Shane Drew]

quote Phill:

Since 751 series was recently upgraded to a cast vinyl, I wondered what others thought of the changes.

Personally I prefer the finish (It’s much more glossy than the old 751 vinyl) but I have found it more difficult too weed. Also with the onset of cooler weather here I have noticed it seems to be much more brittle than the old vinyl. Typicaly lettering will tear much more easily than before. I actually prefer the older version of 751

Just about all the cast brands don’t like the cooler weather. The Oracal 751c is much the same as the 3M to weed. It definately has a different feel, but once you get used to it, you’ll find it a breeze with smaller letters.

Cast material will become more britle if placed on a cold table top. Those with glass tops will notice a definate change in the ‘characteristics’ of any cast when laid on a cold top. Even the manufacturers suggest the room should be a reasonable ambient temp before using a cast material. I don;t start weeding any material on a cold morning until my room airconditioner has got the air a bit warmer first. That said, it the room is too hot, the cast will stick to anything it touches in a nanosecond. Especially the 3M 7725 as it has a clear plastic backing, and absorbs the cold easier.

In short, the thinner the cast, the more temperamental it is going to be.

I only stock 2 computer cut vinyls here; 551 poly for everyday jobs, and 751/3m 7725 cast for anything going on a vehicle.

[Hugh Potter]

like i say, ‘ll venture into it as the oportunity comes, at present about 70% of my stock is 651, i just got used to it and it was the best i’d used at the time, the rest of my stock is made up of various stuff i bought as a job lot (incl some satin finshed colours too), and the remainder is the odd bit of eflective, transluscent etc,

i do agree about sticking to one make for ease of stock, thats what i was aiming for with the 651, but since joining here i realise that there’s a whole new worlde out there !

[John Simpson]

Yep, 751 is brilliant, wont stock anything else now.

L J

[Stephen Sill]

It’s good to know what others are experiencing with this – I use 651 or the equivalent for most flat work – windows, coro, inside stuff, and 751 for vehicles and quality-sensitive work. I’ve grown used to them both and find them about equal as long as the cutter is set deep enough. (I hate having found I failed to do that AFTER cutting a big job) I use Oracal, MacTac, and Avery most. Now this Summa uses 3m Premium white with the clear plactic release liner. Great comments, all!

[steve geary]

quote Stephen Sill:

… about equal as long as the cutter is set deep enough. (I hate having found I failed to do that AFTER cutting a big job)

Hey Stephen,
One thing I do on this subject, is: Start Cutting at the pressure you think is correct. After the plotter cuts a letter or two, pause it and test weed it, while it’s still in the machine…. then just resume your cut. while paused you can change the downforce.

If you are cutting too deep, you’ll see it go through on a curved cut first.

I do this quite often when I switch to drastically different materials, (sandblast mask, chrome, etc. – or when i install a new blade)
Give it a try

[Stephen Sill]

what a great idea – I will try that – I guess I’ve been paranoid about pausing a job in the middle, but what you say makes sense. 🙂

Aren’t you near Harrisburg?

[steve geary]

yep.. i’m 40 miles northeast of Harrisburg….
4 miles From Pottsville, Home of Yuengling – Americas Oldest Brewery.
So, We got Cheap Beer!
I spend a lot of time in harrisburg… Friends form there and York.
Wher are you Located?