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500 square metres in sub zero
Hi All,
Havent posted for a while but could really do with some help on how to cost a job.
Have been asked to fit a "band" of supplied vinyl 1350mm x 365 metres long in a snow centre. The temperature will be approx minus 2 and the majority will need to be fitted on a slope, ie the floor is sloping away and covered in snow!
The height of the top of the vinyl being approx 2600mm off the floor.
How would you aproach costing this? price per day? price per square metre fitted? I would imagine it will be a short working day because of the temperature. Any help appreciated.
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wow… does it stick at that temp?
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client is proposing using an Orajet 3551 DT vinyl which apparently can be appied in temps as low as minus 5!
We will of course be trying out a few metres as a test before the job is printed. -
Hi Paul, good to see you back on the boards mate, thats number three old school uksb member posting again within a week! :lol1:
Price per linear metre supply only.
Price per linear metre Laminated Supply only.
Installation cost by the hour x 2-3 men.if the job is unlaminated you will need the same in application tape or you will find the vinyl will snap in the cold.
dependant on the surface you are applying too, the vinyl, even if laminated, may also shatter in the cold. when i say shatter, i mean simply break apart.
when i say surface, i mean if its a metal. this being the case the vinyl will stick on contact, but if you try lifting it in any way it will simply break leaving the part that made contact still stuck to the surface.Years ago we did a couple of hundred metres of cut vinyl text about 4ft high and fitted onto a "corrugated wall" in an Ice Curling Centre. same scenario as you with temps etc. so the above is all relevant. all we had in our favour was the corrugated wall was plastic. so the surface temp wasnt as cold as metal will be.
The cold temperature should repel contact adhesion making dry application much easier. but i have seen it have opposite affect and stick first touch.
I am not sure how your application skills are but i strongly suggest doing a test run. dont just arrive and apply, leave the media in the room for 20 minutes before applying. this will give a more realistic test than walking in with warm vinyls.I have never tried the following but have heard it works because rapid tack has adhesive stimulants in the fluid. click video below.
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Hi Rob,
Good to be back! …..never wenrt away really, although I dont post much I am always checking out the boards to see whats happening and whats new. This really is such a goldmine of information and a fantastic resource and I love to see what pics people post of their work. Sometimes these are a real insipration!
Having never done an installation at these temps I have paid very close attention to your comments and will definately be trying a test piece before any production takes place. At the mo I am still at the costing stage for this but should the job move forward I will update the post. -
Hi Paul
Good to hear and glad your finding the site of use to you mate…
one thing i didnt mention was i had a completely flat walk way around the curling rink, albeit only 3ft from the ice. your application is going to be more difficult and time consuming, which is why i say charge by the hour. as its unknown territory for you and no point saying to yourself "i can apply a wall that length in 4 hours only to find your presented with multiple hurdles to clear, just to begin work. then media snapping and so on." can make a straight forward job go horribly wrong.
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