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  • Help, Summa S2 160T Paneling option

    Posted by Gary Barker on 22 June 2016 at 16:05

    Hi All had a new Summa S2 T 160 installed, (CWE / Paper Graphics) one of the reasons we bought the machine was to cut long jobs, we are using the option, paneling, not opus paneling, for cad cam vinyls, the problem we are getting is its putting notches where it starts and stops, sometimes there very small some times there 3mm is anyone else getting this problem when they use it ?

    Thanks Gary


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    Alex Crosbie replied 8 years, 2 months ago 10 Members · 18 Replies
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  • Iain Pearson

    Member
    22 June 2016 at 16:34

    Hi Gary
    Although i dont have a summa, i do have a similar panel option with my graphtec
    from the picture, it looks like a 3mm overlap.
    if you move everything 3mm higher it will all line up.
    we use it a lot when panelling for large wall/glass installs
    gives an overlap to match into

    not a solution but hope it helps

    iain

  • Iain Pearson

    Member
    22 June 2016 at 16:46

    Sorry i should have claryfied

    The notches are where the program thinks the panel starts and ends including the overlap

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    23 June 2016 at 07:05

    Hi Iain thanks for the reply, this is half way through the job its not an overlap, there is no joint in it, the image leaves are only about 20mm in size, some times there up to 3mm sometimes there 1mm,

    thanks Gary

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    23 June 2016 at 08:07

    some more picts


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  • Frank Droog

    Member
    23 June 2016 at 13:29

    Who is doing the paneling, The software sending the data, or the cutter itself.
    If its the software, what software is it?

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    23 June 2016 at 13:41

    the cutter has it set not the software.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    25 June 2016 at 07:27

    Hi Gary
    sorry for stating the obvious but have you tried turning paneling off?
    Also. When you say for running long jobs, do you mean your machine has the auto roll take-up system on it?

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    25 June 2016 at 07:35

    Hi Rob, yes its fine when we turn it off, but we bought the machine because of some of the long jobs we run, 6, 8 and 10m long, we were told that the machine is perfect for that, and yes we do have the auto take up, but it needs to have the paneling on for that to work correctly.

    Gary

  • Steff Davison

    Member
    25 June 2016 at 09:44

    I would talk to the people you purchased the machine from, I’m sure they would want to help.

    I had a problem with the software overriding my machine’s settings and the menu command to turn off this override wasnt as intuitive as it should be within Summa Cutter controls.

    Thats the only trouble when your machine turns up in a box with a cd and some allen keys, you cant troubleshoot problems with an engineer etc.

  • Frank Droog

    Member
    27 June 2016 at 17:52

    Don’t know if this will help.
    I downloaded the manual.
    There is an option on your plotters menu to reset all values to factory defaults.
    The manual is a bit confusing about how you get there.

    4.3.1.14 Factory defaults
    This option defaults all user parameters to factory default.

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    27 June 2016 at 19:55
    quote Steff Davison:

    I would talk to the people you purchased the machine from, I’m sure they would want to help.

    I had a problem with the software overriding my machine’s settings and the menu command to turn off this override wasnt as intuitive as it should be within Summa Cutter controls.

    Thats the only trouble when your machine turns up in a box with a cd and some allen keys, you cant troubleshoot problems with an engineer etc.

    thanks Steff, we have had 3 Engineers out, there all not sure if it can be stopped, thats why I was asking if its on all summa or just mine.

    Thanks Gary

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    27 June 2016 at 19:56
    quote Frank Droog:

    Don’t know if this will help.
    I downloaded the manual.
    There is an option on your plotters menu to reset all values to factory defaults.
    The manual is a bit confusing about how you get there.

    4.3.1.14 Factory defaults
    This option defaults all user parameters to factory default.

    Hi Frank we tried that also but ty

    Gary

  • john borup

    Member
    21 October 2016 at 01:26

    Hi, we have the same problem and setup, the dealers support here in Denmark came up blank, so we are stuck with running jobs no longer than max panel lenght(250cm) on our Summa..

  • Tim de Beir

    Member
    29 December 2016 at 15:33

    I run 8 meter jobs without pannelling without takeup…

  • Gwaredd Steele

    Member
    22 July 2017 at 16:28

    Hi Gary.

    Did you ever get to the bottom of this issue? We’re having similar problems with our S2 120 T series even with panelling switched off.

    Thanks in advance.

    Gwaredd.

  • Gary Barker

    Member
    23 July 2017 at 18:47

    Hi Gwaredd, no we didnt sort it, if we get the material running perfectly square through the machine its alot better with panelling switched on.

  • Peter Wynne

    Member
    24 July 2017 at 13:46

    I have to admit, I’ve had use of a Summa D140 for maybe 18months- 2 years, and I’ve had nothing but trouble with it.
    No matter what I or any engineer does, regarding panelling or longer runs, it constantly falls out of sync meaning I no longer trust it to do any sizeable job. Jobs either don’t line-up, slip in the cutter, won’t do a flex and a kiss cut in the same job (sometimes it will, depends what mood it’s in), overrides itself with cut settings (again, depending what modd it’s in!). The longest I do on it now is maybe 1.5-2m runs as any more and it’s too much of a risk to have to reprint if it buggers up.

    I’m sure there are lots of people who have used Summa’s for years (including this model) with absolutely no problems whatsoever, however given my experience with this particular one, I can’t say I’d be rushing out to get another!

  • Alex Crosbie

    Member
    31 July 2017 at 17:42

    What software is creating the crop marks and is the same software then sending the cut file to the cutter?

    To work out if it’s a machine issue or a software issue try creating the same job in illustrator or coreldraw, use the summa plugin to create the crop marks, print the job and then cut using wincut.

    I have seen a note in a summa manual to say that software panelling should not be used when using opos panelling so could be a software to machine conflict.

    As has been mentioned above the summa a class machine is more than capable of running huge long jobs without a takeup and without panelling so I would probably turn it off…. or if there’s a specific reason you desperately need panelling it would be interesting to know why to see if there’s an alternative work around!

    Cheers

    Alex

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