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Can wraps fail if fitted on left, using right hand?
Ive seen people install air release with water. Installs at non compliant temperatures. Has to fail. I wonder why there are more left hand side failures on bumpers than right hand side failures for right handed installers than vice versa for left handed installers. I just think maybe we install slower and let vinyl cool too much when we are on our off side. Still testing this theory, love advice on that.
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Well I will start the ball rolling Mark, I am naturally Right handed but when it comes to fitting vinyl I don’t have a preferred side. I can fit really badly with either hand :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
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Flip the car on its roof?
Dismantle the bumper & flip over?
Have a buddy that is left/right handed opposite to you?
Don’t wrap the bumpers? -
quote Mark van Dam:I wonder why there are more left hand side failures on bumpers than right hand side failures for right handed installers than vice versa for left handed installers. I just think maybe we install slower and let vinyl cool too much when we are on our off side. Still testing this theory, love advice on that.think this one should be sent to Mythbusters 😉
Just as long as they use a left handed squeegee when doing the left and right handed squeegee doing the right side. it should all be alright on the night. 😕 :lol1:
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quote Robert Lambie:quote Mark van Dam:I wonder why there are more left hand side failures on bumpers than right hand side failures for right handed installers than vice versa for left handed installers. I just think maybe we install slower and let vinyl cool too much when we are on our off side. Still testing this theory, love advice on that.
think this one should be sent to Mythbusters 😉
Just as long as they use a left handed squeegee when doing the left and right handed squeegee doing the right side. it should all be alright on the night. 😕 :lol1:
Oh that must be why I am having so many problems, didn’t realise you got left & right handed squeegees & have been using the same one for everything I do. No one has ever mentioned this to me before, not even suppliers when I have bought squeegees. Will have to call the suppliers & get this sorted, maybe it will help.
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quote Robert Lambie:quote Mark van Dam:I wonder why there are more left hand side failures on bumpers than right hand side failures for right handed installers than vice versa for left handed installers. I just think maybe we install slower and let vinyl cool too much when we are on our off side. Still testing this theory, love advice on that.
think this one should be sent to Mythbusters 😉
Just as long as they use a left handed squeegee when doing the left and right handed squeegee doing the right side. it should all be alright on the night. 😕 :lol1:
As far as stretching vinyl into recesses without a squeegee. Noticed 3 cars wrapped by same person had failures/lifting in the same area on all 3, but the opposite side did not fail.
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surely 3 cars by same person in same place on 3 vehicles is down to the individuals own application method being the issue?
laying/pushing/manipulating the the vinyl into a recessed area on a vehicle is only one part of the procedure. yes, we could argue that using a left hand when right handed isnt maybe just as apt for the job as your "good hand" will be.
regardless, left of right. you do not end the wrap process there.
you must fullow up with heat to cure the vinyl in its new form with heat gun and laser temperature device.
you must apply pressure to these recessed areas using the likes of a 3M pressure wheels, squeegee pressure… basically anything that will promote pressure and adhession in these areas "after" the media has formed the recess.
cleaning vehcile
prepping vehicle
applying vinyl
promoting adhesion with pressure
curing the vinyl with heatall come into play when wrapping. its not just down to what hand you stretch the vinyl into the recess with. but i do get where you are coming from.
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Robert, we seem to agree 😀 , its up to the installer to get techniques up to scratch. Every part of the procedure matters, just posted the idea when the installer did all the procedures correctly to prepare. You obviously know your stuff. All I am trying to say is that maybe a weaker pressure or slower hand might be a cause for a failure.
Quote surely 3 cars by same person in same place on 3 vehicles is down to the individuals own application method being the issue?
Yes yes yes. His awkward side is the area that failed. Not blaming vinyl, just that maybe that is why HE failed.
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quote Martin:Oh that must be why I am having so many problems, didn’t realise you got left & right handed squeegees & have been using the same one for everything I do. No one has ever mentioned this to me before, not even suppliers when I have bought squeegees. Will have to call the suppliers & get this sorted, maybe it will help.Here’s a use full tip for you:-
Once you have identified which is the left handed applicator and which is the right handed applicator, get your mum to tie a string between the two then thread it through the sleeves of your jacket. This way the left handed applicator will be easily to hand hanging from your left sleeve and likewise the right handed applicator 😀
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😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
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i am left handed, I have to adapt to the right handed world! e.g. scalpel blades, javelins, circular hand saws when all the dust blows ur side…
i do use both hands more these days, but one is stronger then the other
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quote Mark van Dam:All I am trying to say is that maybe a weaker pressure or slower hand might be a cause for a failure.
If the person is a competent wrapper, Speed of the application should not come into it.
i see a difference in what’s seems to allowed with wraps in the USA, Canada etc s opposed to what would be accepted over here. there seems to be a status for the "fast wrapper" being looked on as being good. e.g. a guy in the states promoting himself as being great because he wraps upto 3 large vans per day on his own? but proceeds to use what he calls releif cuts and more in his pplication. some procedures he uses are shocking. anyway… as i said, all this and more seems to be accepted as good.a standard vehicle wrap should be kept for a minimum of 48hrs. having been speaking to some manufacturers as well a few reputable installers, this time is now advised at 36hrs per vehicle.
so here something else for you to consider, has enough time been taken as oppssed to are they fast enough like the guy doing 3 vans per day?
manufacturers now leaning to 3 days per vehicle, not 3 vehciles per day.for the record, yes i know it doesn’t take that long to fit…. i am merely pointing out the overall proceedure time is what is being advised these days.
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SPEED OF INSTALL was only mentioned because when forming the vinyl into the area needed, a weaker and slower install method for 1 side may mean that the Vinyl cools too much ON THE WEAKER AND HESITANT UNCOMFORTABLE working side, and allowance is not made for that, and is still forced into place. I said nothing about the speed of installation of a vehicle wrap. Could you re read the initial posts please.
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when forming the vinyl into a deep recessed area, you shouldn’t cancel out heat completely while manipulating the vinyl into the recess. as you said, the longer you take to get the vinyl into position, the cooler the media will become.
your heat gun should be lowered in power or held further away but still pointing in the direction as you form the vinyl into the recess.that aside… i dont see why the left hand of bumper will differ to the right hand side. i use my right hand as efficiently on the left hand side of the vehcile as i do the right hand side.
working a large section of vinyl around the bumper may not be just as comfortable on the left as it is the right. but you are using both hands at this point. once the vinyl is in place and taught over all the recesses. you switch back to one hand and thats your good hand to apply the vinyl into the recesses.
once into the recesses you follow up with pressure wheels and the like, cure it with heat etc
i am not knocking your theory Mark, I just havent ever heard of this issue before mate. the instance you have given is one person, same media, same 3 vehicles, same fail… which is why i said originally ide be more inclined to put it down to the individual than think this might be an issue for everyone.
yes i was joking to begin with, but it really would take a mythbuster to come to a proper conclusion over this.
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quote Dave Rowland:i am left handed, I have to adapt to the right handed world! e.g. scalpel blades, javelins, circular hand saws when all the dust blows ur side…i do use both hands more these days, but one is stronger then the other
I too am left handed and we have to adapt to living in a right handed world so I’d say we may have an advantage over righties!!!
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The Mythbuster comment was pretty good LOL. I just noticed he went a lot slower on the side that failed. new to the game and not confident.
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quote Martin:Well I will start the ball rolling Mark, I am naturally Right handed but when it comes to fitting vinyl I don’t have a preferred side. I can fit really badly with either hand :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:martin were you in deliverence with burt reynolds 😀 ?
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enjoyed reading this.
I actually have a major problem working to my left. I much prefer working to the right. So, one side of a vehicle is actually harder for me than the other.
I don’t have failures as such, but I must confess that I am very uncomfortable working to my left, and if I’m going to have a difficulty in fitting, that will be the side I have difficulty with. Whether it is a bus, or a car, I am not comfortable working to my left at all. 😥
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well its good to have someone chuck a spanner in the works SHANE. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
what i might be missing here and correct me if i am wrong.
[ Right handed fitter ]
if we work from the left hand side moving towards the right hand side, using our right hand. yes our hand pressure is working almost "back hand". there for, we just turn our boy and work from right to left and problem eliminated.
[that scenario would be an issue on any four sides of the vehicle, not just front left of a bumper ?]
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when i do a bus tho mate, I always work from the back and move forward. That way my overlaps never get exposed to the forward edge. So I can’t or don’t go from the front to the back on the other side.
As my strong hand is my right hand, working with my left hand is just asking for cramps 🙁
Madness I know, but what can I say…. I’m a maverick….
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If the guy started on the right side, he may have had a case of "I’m over it", by the time he got to left side lol. I have been guilty of this once or twice with post heating 😳
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LOL Shane, Maverick, from what Ive heard, is you are a vinyl guru according to your local customers. I hear about you. 1 day Shane, if you need a hand, a break etc, be nice to catch up after all these years, I make a good slave for a day.
PS. Today I switched to left hand after burning right digit, hope it does not fail LOL.
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quote Mark van Dam:LOL Shane, Maverick, from what Ive heard, is you are a vinyl guru according to your local customers. I hear about you. 1 day Shane, if you need a hand, a break etc, be nice to catch up after all these years, I make a good slave for a day.
PS. Today I switched to left hand after burning right digit, hope it does not fail LOL.
Thanks Mark. I had a good teacher way back 🙂
You’re on the North side now?
I had an interstate client come to me a while back with signs for me to fit, and they were addressed to you over the other side of town somewhere
I told him I wasn’t you, and he said no one would know as his Qld boss just told him to get it done. I said ethically I couldn’t do that as it was clearly your contract. I’ve had the same experience where the sign guy was happy to steal my job off me when my client sent the signs to the wrong sign shop. He refused to return the signs, and insisted on doing the job.
My client didn’t care and let him do it at my quoted price.
Sadly ethics are lacking in our industry.
I’d love to catch up Mark.
I laughed when you said guru tho. Most people call it ‘opinionated’ 🙂 Just ask some on the readers of my articles in WFOL 🙂
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I’m Gold Coast Still, work mostly Brisbane. As far as Un ethical clients, Ive seen a few, one even offered me a carton of beer to Divulge confidential Information. Never did another job for them 🙂 I do have some great clients, and a good group of signies that help each other out. Do each others jobs.
Next time just do the job, Ill tell you the install price too.
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