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Color CAMM Pro PC-60 – Setup Problem
Help!
I have just purchased a secondhand Roland Color CAMM Pro PC-60. Before purchase I checked-out general reviews on the cutter and the fact the printing was slow and costly. This is fine as I only intend to use this machne as a cutter only.
Now to my problem….
When turning on, I am struggling to make the head move to sense the vinyl. I have read and understand the steps. Turn on cutter, select piece or roll, position roll grippers and drop gripper leaver. It should then sense the width of the vinyl. Both sensors front and back are cover with the vinyl.
Nothing happens, the head sounds like it is trying to move but does not. After a few goes and moving the head manual then turning on, the head did move to the right, hit the right end and stopped.
Can the head be miss aligned – surely the cutter should reset when starting up.
Both piece and roll LEDs are flashing, which should mean grip rollers are incorrect – but the are not. It just will not move the head to sensor the width.
Does anyone please have any advise, as I am now scratching my head and looking for advise.
Here’s fingers cross.
Thanks
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19 Replies
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out of interest have you closed the front down
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Begs the question
Why did you not just but a plotter?Peter
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If purchasing for cutting capabilities I personally think you will struggle, long term on speed, accuracy actual cutting length as its limited to a certain page size if i remember right. about 50inch long i think…
now that said, i know that ex-moderator of uksb Carrie and Partner Steven used their PC60 more so for vinyl cutting at many levels and did allot of great work with it. so i’m not knocking it completely, but think it wiser to have purchased a used plotter/cutter than the pc60.
not answering your problem i know, im just a tad rusty on the pc60 as its been around 8 years since i had one.
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It’s that long since I used one but does it do a cartridge check when it starts up?
Could it be it’s looking for a cartridge that isn’t there or there is a cartridge in each holder and one in the head?
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and if so Glenn, will it not stop again due to the cart being spent? 😕
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Thanks for your input. I operate a small vinyl business, at the present I run a CAMM 1. Which is again secondhand and works great. The intention of this second cutter was to improve quality and ensure I have a backup machine. When it comes to the actual operation of the machines my knowledge is limited.
I does sound like this purchase was not the best one. However, I would like to understand what am I doing wrong, try it out and if need be will search again for another machine.
Yes the front cover is down. Does the cutting head reset itself on start-up. If the head was moved manual during cleaning when the machine was off – does this effect things? I am guess not but would like to know how the head works.
When the vinyl is in the machine, drop the lever and it then tries to sense the width. All it does is ‘cug’ and try to move but does not. Then both piece and roll LEDs flash.
When I pick up the machine, I did see it in operation and all wash fine.
What are your thoughts on a local Roland engineer to call in to service – do they exist? Is it worth it for this machine? Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance…
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There are 4 cartridges in the holders. It is not looking for a cartridge as at the moment I would just like to test cut.
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As I say it’s ages since I last used one but I thought it had to register all 6 cartridges before you could do anything
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only with the main switch off can you move the head manually.
with main the power off slide the head to the left and right and should move smoothly with slight resistance. leave the head in the middle and switch the machine on.
the head should reset its self. no manual here but think the sensor is on the right hand end.
normal reason for the roll light flashing is that the pinch rollers are not within the markings. but by the sound of it it has not gone far enough in to the initiating to find that. -
I had the same problem with my pc60 a few years back.
If i remember correctly it was after i moved the machine from one place to another, after I moved it the machine would’nt start up again, it made noises as if it was trying to start but nothing happened, took it to a roland engineer who said he thought it was some memory driver on the main board that had broke during transportation and quoted me £350 to sort it but without any guarentee, I decided to put the money towards a new mimaki plotter. (the pc60 ended up in the big print shop in the sky) -
Mmmmmmm. This is not looking good at all!
When the gripper rollers are up the head moves freely left and right. I have tried putting the head to the right and moving it and turning on – hoping for it to reset the head. But no luck.
If I have both rollers grippers to the left and try moving the head by hand. It moves freely until it reaches the first roller and will not freely move any more. There is nothing touching the space between the head and roller gripper.
HELP PLEASE 🙁
It is starting to look like it maybe going for sale as ‘Spare & Repairs’ !!!!!!
One other thing anyone can help with….
Does anyone have any suggestion which secondhand cutter would be good to look out for. All I need is for it to cut. Or what would be the best (not too expensive new cutter to buy!) -
Any well known cutter second hand will be the best option.
Ian
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quote :If I have both rollers grippers to the left and try moving the head by hand. It moves freely until it reaches the first roller and will not freely move any more. There is nothing touching the space between the head and roller gripper.
only thing i can see is the pinch roller sensor on the back of the head runs very close to the roller and could have been moved when picked up by hand.
look at it from the rear slide the head via the cables and watch as it comes close to the first roller.looking at the front of the head is a bar that sticks out pointing to the left of the machine. this is how the head finds its self as the sensor is in the left hand casing. so untill the head has gone all the way to the left nothing will set up.
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Chris thanks
Will have a look and get back to you.
Jon
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I still use one every day for small decals and was tearing my hair out at first.
Are the pinch rollers in the right place as there are only certain areas along the rail that they can be placed otherwise you will get the piece and roll leds flashing.
As you look below the pinch rollers you will see the grit roller but it only has certain areas you can place the pinch rollers above.
(hate trying to explain things, can see it in my head but trying to put it in words).
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Steve
Thanks for your comment, but it is not that the pinch rollers are out of place. They are correctly set in the white area positions.
I have done a little more investigation to the problem, but still scratching head!
So when I unscrew the screw which releases the cable wire from the back of the cutter head. Restart the machine and drop the gripper handle, the cable moves left and right and works correctly to try and set head position. Of course the head remains still as not attached.
Attaching the head back causes the problem of the juddering and trying to move but not.
It looks like the sensors at the back of the head maybe causing a problem. I have attempted to clean them, but can really only get to on without having to dismantel the head.
Has anyone had the same problem or think they have an idea what the problem could be?
Could the sensors cause an issue?
Here hoping!
Jon
quote Steve Fields:I still use one every day for small decals and was tearing my hair out at first.Are the pinch rollers in the right place as there are only certain areas along the rail that they can be placed otherwise you will get the piece and roll leds flashing.
As you look below the pinch rollers you will see the grit roller but it only has certain areas you can place the pinch rollers above.
(hate trying to explain things, can see it in my head but trying to put it in words).
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I think the only solution is going to be to remove the head and inspect the sensors although I’ve never had the need to remove mine before as I understand it its not to bad.
I bought a replacement head for mine back in Feb but found that the overlap banding I was getting is common and disappears with laminating,
Do you have a service manual? if not I may be able to help out.
I’m sure Chris has taken the head off a few times and could give you some tips.
Incidentally I’m off to Derby tomorrow to pick another one up that’s not been used for a few years for spares but It maybe to good to strip down especially as I now have a spare new head for it,
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do not remove the head yet as there are a lot of set up issues when you put it back, have you removed the top cover yet to have a better view.
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I think removing the head is out of my scope and I know it will not work at all when I put it back, and of course with a left-over screw!
The head don’t print anyway. I bought it knowing this as I only need it to cut.
I have removed the top and clearly see the cable moving left and right when the head is NOT attached. Once screwing the cable back on the the back of the head it will not move. I will have another go at cleaning the grip roller position senors and if this does not help I think it’s time to give in , take a loss on it and save up for a better cutter.
Can I ask again, does anyone have any advice on a good 24inch secondhand machine for JUST cutting. So I can keep an eye for one!
Thanks again guys.
Jon
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