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  • Should graphics like this be overlaid???

    Posted by Phillip Patterson on 27 October 2010 at 14:46

    Hi All,

    Just wondered if you would overlay the 2 different vinyls on this graphic or would you cut the text in the blue vinyl and then register the grey text vinyl with the blue vinyl which has the text in that already cut out. example grey "A" is placed in the blue vinyl. "A" which has been cut out and weeded off in the blue to accomadate the grey.

    bearing in mind that i intend to do this from the inside of the window. if on the outside i would have just had the blue background with the text on top as an overlay which is basic. but if done in the inside which means the text has to go on first then the blue on top the likely issues may be airgaps which on a recent project i experienced so hence the question.


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    Robert Lambie replied 15 years ago 4 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Dan Osterbery

    Member
    27 October 2010 at 16:31

    Hi phillip,
    personally i would not do it by registration! i would apply grey graphic mirrored first and then a layer of blue behind it!

    cheers

    Dan

  • Phillip Patterson

    Member
    27 October 2010 at 19:34

    Hi Dan,

    Ideally thats what I would prefer to do. I recently made a small sign about 3 foot x 2 foot in the same way i.e the layered way. I found that it created a problem adhereing to the text vinyl where the edges were. So if we said the a & s graphic i posted, had that been done on the perspex around the whole of the grey text, there would be gaps as if the grey vinyl is preventing the back blue vinyl from sticking to the perspex where the edges are.

    am i applying it wrong or something?? I did try and apply heat on the perspex sign project but to no avail
    🙁

  • Stuart Miller

    Member
    28 October 2010 at 10:15
    quote Phillip Patterson:

    Hi Dan,

    Ideally thats what I would prefer to do. I recently made a small sign about 3 foot x 2 foot in the same way i.e the layered way. I found that it created a problem adhereing to the text vinyl where the edges were. So if we said the a & s graphic i posted, had that been done on the perspex around the whole of the grey text, there would be gaps as if the grey vinyl is preventing the back blue vinyl from sticking to the perspex where the edges are.

    am i applying it wrong or something?? I did try and apply heat on the perspex sign project but to no avail
    🙁

    I would agree with Dan. just cover the text with the blue.
    Yes you will get a very narrow border around the edge of the lower layers where the vinyl is lifted up. However this should be minimal and does not usually spoil the sign or change with time. In fact the effect can look like a narrow border which is similar as if you tried to cut out the blue and register in the gap. You would never get an exact registration and it would make sense if you wanted to cut out the blue to allow an even bigger gap as a border.

    Both the signs below on glass and acrylic were just backed by plain vinyl with no unsightly borders.


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  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    28 October 2010 at 10:36

    apply text/graphics dry on the window.

    then apply the panel on the rear using a felt squeegee.

    when you make your marks, be careful not to sit the vinyl on-top of the marks or you will trap the ink/wax and not be able to clean off.
    alternatively you could mark the outside of the glass, and apply inside the shop. but this can sometimes cause problems depending on the thickness of the glass. i.e. 10mm glass can give illusion you are online, but 10mm higher/off. difficult to explain.
    safest way is to use some masking tape on the glass for marking.

    registration marks also help keep both layers aligned.

    cutting the graphics out of the panel is not great. alignment being off even a millimetre creates a ridge on the text to one side.
    dependent on vinyl type used. any slight shrinkage after application creates a halow around the text where daylight creeps in and is very noticible from the inside of shop.
    there is also much more chance the window cleaner will catch the edges of the text each time they clean the window. having the panel on the rear eliminates this.

    glass will be cold these days, so make sure you dry before you apply. as condensation from your breath will create a wet application and cause problems removing your application tape.

    hope this helps some…

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