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Help matching parcel force red in a wrap film?
I am quoting on a colour change for a parcel force subi
white van to red. anyone know which red it is and if available "off the shelf" as a wrap materialTks
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its a deep tomato red but ide imagine your going to need an exact match?
if there is allot of them, im sure some of the more reputable suppliers will be able to supply you with a pantone or similar "matched colour batch".
I have had Oracal match me on a blue before but minimum quantity is 5 full rolls. and i know Avery do pantone colour matching on their vinyls. -
Peter
the RAL number for Post Office red is Ral 3302 if that helps at allKev
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Thanks Kev.
I have asked the customer to get the correct ref, but he is faffing about, I need to give a quote, but did not want to unless the correct colour is available, I can know checkk it out cheers
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quote Peter Normington:I have asked the customer to get the correct ref, but he is faffing about, I need to give a quote, but did not want to unless the correct colour is available.
if he is faffing about and cant give you the colour ref, hes obviously not giving those competing against you it either or he’d have it at hand. give him a quote based on a deep red wrap material along with a small cutting/colour sample.
but then stating if it has to be 100% colour match you will have to re-quote on that. if this is a one off job by an independent courier under the parcel force brand hes just looking for ways to cut costs. we get it continually with FEDEX drivers, but we refuse to reproduce their livery in our vinyls. 9/10 come back with the kit bought from FEDEX, which is probably not cheap, and we get the install anyway. -
Rob
I have already told the subi he will need to supply the The parcel force logo from the official suppliers, I have fitted many of them before, the van has to be red to carry the logo, so a colour change is the way to go, at least he will get a white van back to sell.
I have also asked him to put in writing the required or acceptable shade of red from parcel force, that way it is his responibility for choice of colour. I was just pre-empting the situation so I could find out if the approved colour is available.Thanks
Peter
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Hi Peter
Sorry, my point wasn’t that you cannot recreate the logo etc, i meant…
Independent couriers take on the work of the BIG names such as FedEx, Parcel Force etc… to do so they MUST brand their vehicle to the proper spec.
BUT… The Independent guy normally doesn’t give a toss about the branding, he just wants to cut corners to save himself money. so turns up on our doorstep asking us to do it rather than paying the parent company the going rate. recreating the FedEx Livery is easy, but try matching the Purple/blue and you will find that very difficult and just not worth the hassle for couple of vans.
From memory FedEx use a 3M vinyl screened the particular colour. hence why i said i declined on providing the graphics, but still do get the install and we have done allot of them now.
The reason being is the courior finds out he isnt going to be able to cut corners because i would imagine his vehicle will be inspected before it is accepted. so revert to buying directly from the parent company.in this case you are saying you are just wanting to give a quote at this stage, but the guy is faffing you about.
so my advice is to give him a quote on a deep red wrap, but stipulate if it needs to be an exact colour match it will need re-quoted on. that way you dont waste your time sourcing an exact match, but also get your price in quick enough to maybe get the job. if your within his price range and he needs to now get it an exact colour match, he has your number to come back to you on. -
Rob I see where you are coming from.
I did give an off the top of my head estimate to colour change the lwb sprinter,
pending colour approval etc, 2kminimum was a ball park figure, excluding graphics to be supplied.
and no roof.
If he comes back with more info, then we will adjust as required.
I am aware of the "how can I do it on the cheap" brigade, but good to hear you get the same timewasters 😀Peter
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It’s only my opinion Peter, please don’t be offended!
He ‘aint going to pay 2K! I hope you prove me wrong!
He’ll go to a ‘back street’ sign maker, get a close match to the red, get them to scan a logo, done and fitted for circa £800. Seen it done before!
Good for us tho as he’ll come running, tail between his legs when Parcel Force’ kick his bum for it!
Good luck mate!
Matt
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The trouble is Matty… even though he may come back. the cowboy has done the damage by devaluing a skilled area of our trade.
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Is there anyway we can control it?
I quoted my day rate plus travel today and got laughed at!
Apparently a well known franchise that sounds like sexpess only pay £120 for fitters! 1 guy to wrap a vito, 73mls from home, £120.
I’d rather work at macky d’s.
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Unfortunately, we are all at the mercy of what the market will allow us to spend as far as day rate and mileage. If there is another willing to charge less than we do, then we are potentially too expensive. I saw it last year all too often. Recession, less ‘loose’ money about. Subi’s asking day rates that were probably fair but in the climate ‘expensive’. Those willing to lower their rate, if temporarily, were working. Those who didn’t got little or no work and are probably now working selling fries and burgers.
Market forces will always dictate prices.
Peter
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My estimate could well be more expensive than the "competiion" but I have also explained the difference in the quality of workmanship and materials he can expect.
If he comes back, thars fine, if he decides to go elswhere that’s fine also.
I would rather win a few good priced jobs that be a busy fool.
Not a colour change but this is a "wrap" I saw yesterday unlaminated and badly fitted,
My point is whatever is considered a cheap or expensive job, is worthless if it turns out like this, both to the customer and to our trade in general.
Perhaps we have gone somewhat off topic here and should start another thread on pricing in a uksg thread?Peter
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Can you trust the customer. If he was getting it done that cheap why was he asking you for another price??
Human Nature that he is going to give you a bit of bully and haggle over a price.
dont worry he probably wouldnt have been happy anyway.
sounds a good job to let go and have a good laugh about…
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quote Matty Goodwin:It’s only my opinion Peter, please don’t be offended!
He ‘aint going to pay 2K! I hope you prove me wrong!
He’ll go to a ‘back street’ sign maker, get a close match to the red, get them to scan a logo, done and fitted for circa £800. Seen it done before!
Good for us tho as he’ll come running, tail between his legs when Parcel Force’ kick his bum for it!
Good luck mate!
Matt
I’m not offended Matty,
but, he has taken my quote,
after quite a long sales pitch, and pointing out the pros and cons (see the other thread about materials)
we are now going ahead,
After getting a signed acceptance of our quotation, specifications and conditions,
I questioned the customer on other quotations he had been given,Lowest quote £800! highest £2200.
we got the job because we took the time find the best material, and colour match that he required, but what really clinched the deal is that we could do the job with the least amount of downtime for the vehicle.
the firm that quoted £2200 wanted the van for 4 days
we can do it in 2Just goes to show, if you sell the product properly, you can get something near the
correct price.Peter
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i not read all here, but both our vans have been changed from white to black. 1 is in Avery 900 and the other is sprayed.
To sell to a customer, well we say the price difference to wrap or spray is around the same price and then show them the difference.
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