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VEHICLE WRAP WET…??
Is it possible to wrap a vehicle with wet application if not then why not???
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NO, do not even go there…
I have heard folk say they do and dont have problems… i dont beleive it.
if you need water you shouldnt be trying to wrap.there are dry application fluids available that can be and are used, but there is a very strict process to using this type of fluid. again, my view is only eperienced wrappers should use it, but ide still advise NOT too…
even the easy-apply type wrapping films are now realising they had it wrong too… and now its not advised to use bubble free type wraps in recessed areas.
however, if you are looking for very good repositionable wrap film then there is the likes of grafiwrap which doesnt have an air release liner. or the new 3M Ij wrapping films which has its very own unique air release liner. (i know i sound like im contradicting yself there but not reallY)
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I used one of them wet/dry application sprays years ago. It did help but you had to clean it out of recesses before you applied the vinyl. Also, that was in the early days of wrapping – I think the materials are a lot better these days and generally easier to use.
But wet, NO!
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Wet + Heat = Big Mistake. Tried that when I first attempted wrapping with Arlon 6000. That stuff was sticky.
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NO NO NO!
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With flat panels I don’t see any reason not to do them wet but as Rob said, if your competent enough to do a wrap you’ve got no need to do it wet!
I run a wrapping business and under NO circumstances would we ever use fluids on a wrap.
Good luck!
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Matty, I know what you are saying about flat panels but the problem is that sooner or latter when you are doing a wrap you come to a recess or a compound curve and as you know that’s when the problems start with a wet app.
I have known guys try to do it with very little fluid just on the areas that are flat but it still doesn’t work as any fluid has a habit of finding the places it shouldn’t be :lol1: -
Hi Martin
As I said earlier, I personally would never apply anything wet, be it a wrap or flat panel, saying that windows I would yes!
The point I was trying to make is, if you have never wrapped anything before then a small ‘mist’ of spray does make life easier say on a bonnet. It will take 10 times longer to fit but it can be done.
Question being…If you had a ‘one hit’ wrap to do, no experience, would you do it wet?
Answer…NO! Unless you’ve got 5 days to spare and money to burn, get a professional in to do it! We sound expensive but a days labour versus the heartache and time is more cost effective! There is also the wrapping courses…..
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So the reason your all saying its unadviseable to wet apply is that water/fluid gets in to recessed areas which is hard to squeege out. is that right? what other reasons can there be which will cause a problem if wet appying??
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well I don’t think it’s at all possible to squeegee all the water out of a recess and then there’s zero change of being able to heat it in and it stay there with fluid behind it.
I would say it’s 100% impossible to do and for the vinyl to stay put, if you try it you are only putting yourself at risk as it will fail and it’s your name on the block.
Sub it out or learn how to do it buy either lots of self teaching practice or a course.
Warren
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quote Stuart Green:So the reason your all saying its unadviseable to wet apply is that water/fluid gets in to recessed areas which is hard to squeege out. is that right? what other reasons can there be which will cause a problem if wet appying??Stuart,
Listen to what everyone is saying, IT DOES NOT WORK.
its not just in recesses you will have a problem. If you want to stretch the wrap around a bumper, how are you going to get the vinyl to stay put if there is fluid between it and the substrate? as soon as you let go of the vinyl it is going to spring back to where it was.Peter
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Just to confirm when i say wet apply i mean a light mist not completey wet and on flat areas only such as a bonnet or are we still talking no, no??
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Take it from a lot of experts – never attempt a vehicle wrap wet.
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quote Peter Normington:quote Stuart Green:So the reason your all saying its unadviseable to wet apply is that water/fluid gets in to recessed areas which is hard to squeege out. is that right? what other reasons can there be which will cause a problem if wet appying??
Stuart,
Listen to what everyone is saying, IT DOES NOT WORK.
its not just in recesses you will have a problem. If you want to stretch the wrap around a bumper, how are you going to get the vinyl to stay put if there is fluid between it and the substrate? as soon as you let go of the vinyl it is going to spring back to where it was.Peter
Blimy Peter….is that twelve and a half thousand posts!!! well done you chatta box!!
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Yup – that’s a lot of opinions :thumbsup:
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Stuart- are you trying to ‘wind’ everyone up?!!!! (chat.) (chat.)
Dry is the recommended- No liquid, no mist, NOTHING except ‘hottish’ air…..
Any questions?…….No dry only! -
quote Cheryl Smith:quote Peter Normington:quote Stuart Green:So the reason your all saying its unadviseable to wet apply is that water/fluid gets in to recessed areas which is hard to squeege out. is that right? what other reasons can there be which will cause a problem if wet appying??
Stuart,
Listen to what everyone is saying, IT DOES NOT WORK.
its not just in recesses you will have a problem. If you want to stretch the wrap around a bumper, how are you going to get the vinyl to stay put if there is fluid between it and the substrate? as soon as you let go of the vinyl it is going to spring back to where it was.Peter
Blimy Peter….is that twelve and a half thousand posts!!! well done you chatta box!!
Cheryl the true figure is 125,000
but the mods delete quite a few😳
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Sorry, but many experienced wrappers DO use a mist of water when fitting car wraps.
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quote Jon Marshall:Sorry, but many experienced wrappers DO use a mist of water when fitting car wraps.
Why?
is it not a condradiction in terms that an experienced fitter would need to use water?I have never come across a pro wrapper that uses water.
but having said that, maybe some do?There are quite a few very experienced guys on this forum, perhaps one of them or more, will verify if this is the case.
and btw this is NOT a wrap
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Vh4hOb … re=relatedPeter
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Never mind a wrap Peter, I wouldn’t even call that a large sticker :lol1:
Matty, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I’m 100% behind what you said, if I had a wrap to do and wasn’t 100% sure I could do it myself then I would be looking to get someone experienced in to do it for me. I would sooner make a smaller profit or even just cover my costs to ensure the job was done properly rather than either do a bad job or even worse not be able to do it at all having already spent money on the job.
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If you applied all your graphics like that video you wouldnt get through much work in a day!
Dry is the only way!
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OK, lets assume we are not going to be able to spell this out.
Step One
take one piece of decent grade vinyl. doesn’t even have to be a cast or wrap. approx 8inches square…Step Two
take a spotless clean cereal bowl or even an ashtray…
(must have gloss or shiny finish)Step Three
give it the lights mist you can imagine, of water…Step Four
now wrap the inside or the outside of the bowl/ashtray…let us know how you get on….
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Right done that Robert, now what do you want me to do next :lol1:
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quote Martin:Right done that Robert, now what do you want me to do next :lol1:
I done it too,
when do we get to do the soup bowl 😀Peter
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nonsense 😉
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Hi Martin
No probs!Great point Rob BUT along with the water where does the air go….?!!
Just to clarify with Peter, I’ve been wrapping over 8 yrs and running my wrapping business for over 2yrs and there are times water is necessary.
we can’t determine our working environment or materials.
If you turn up to a job and its 90 degrees in the shade and you’ve got 9800 series vinyl there’s no choice but to do it with a misting.
Definitely only on bonnet and NEVER where there’s a recess
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quote matty goodwin:Great point Rob BUT along with the water where does the air go….?!!
same place it goes when doing a recess in a sprinter or transit side panel.
you have to allow for the final closing point to expel the air. However, the water doesn’t escape… not the majority of it anyway.yes there is also the option of a pin pr1ck on the top hidden area of the recesses, but regardless of how you expel the air from a recess, the water is not going to follow.
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Robert, it was easy………………..spent 20 years in Submarines so I’m use to working underwater :lol1: :lol1:
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quote matty goodwin:Hi Martin
No probs!Great point Rob BUT along with the water where does the air go….?!!
Just to clarify with Peter, I’ve been wrapping over 8 yrs and running my wrapping business for over 2yrs and there are times water is necessary.
we can’t determine our working environment or materials.
If you turn up to a job and its 90 degrees in the shade and you’ve got 9800 series vinyl there’s no choice but to do it with a misting.
Definitely only on bonnet and NEVER where there’s a recess
Matty
you are using the water as a cooling agent, not as an applications aid,
perhaps our friends from hotter climates will have more to say on this?
I would love to work where 90 degrees in the shade is the norm!Peter
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quote Peter Normington:quote Jon Marshall:Sorry, but many experienced wrappers DO use a mist of water when fitting car wraps.
Why?
is it not a condradiction in terms that an experienced fitter would need to use water?I’m talking bonnets, roofs, rear quarters, obviously depends on the vinyl being used and conditions etc.
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quote Jon Marshall:quote Peter Normington:quote Jon Marshall:Sorry, but many experienced wrappers DO use a mist of water when fitting car wraps.
Why?
is it not a condradiction in terms that an experienced fitter would need to use water?I’m talking bonnets, roofs, rear quarters, obviously depends on the vinyl being used and conditions etc.
and yes I reiterate, why would an experienced fitter need to use water on the simplest areas?. if you can fit to recessed panels, where we all seem to agree, wet is a no no, why do wet anywhere else?
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Sorry Peter, I should have said, we fit a lot of aircraft abroad and in India, italy, New Zealand it does get hot sitting in a cherry picker 40 ft up on tarmac!
Yes water is a cooling agent but as John rightly points out, its all about materials and conditions.
As a fitter I no what is ideal, but 65% of customers want a wrap done with there choice of materials and there conditions.
We have to work with what were given or no pay!
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matty, what if the product/wrap fails, who is to blame then and do you still get paid?
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Just to add for Peter…
A bonnet is a large surface which is horizonta and fitted as suchl. A recessed panel is usually fitted vertically top to bottom so more control of the vinyl is had!
A good fitter can fit all day every day top to bottom on sides of vehicles, a good wrapper can do bonnets day in day out!
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this thread is heading for the bin.
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quote Robert Lambie:matty, what if the product/wrap fails, who is to blame then and do you still get paid?
Unfortunately Rob thats the nature of our business. We can go and try to resolve the issue but if its a material failure we don’t have a leg to stand on. The customer is always right! We just explain the situation and advise on materials to start with…not that they listen!
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Sorry Chris are we boring you? 😀 😀 😀
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quote matty goodwin:Sorry Peter, I should have said, we fit a lot of aircraft abroad and in India, italy, New Zealand it does get hot sitting in a cherry picker 40 ft up on tarmac!
Yes water is a cooling agent but as John rightly points out, its all about materials and conditions.
As a fitter I no what is ideal, but 65% of customers want a wrap done with there choice of materials and there conditions.
We have to work with what were given or no pay!
OK Matty, lets just clarify things,
stickers on airplanes, are not wraps, they are mainly in effect flat panels, yes you will be fitting the material that the client specifies, but I presume these are fit for purpose? (perhaps not though if working in india) I do respect your experience, but most of the manufactures who produce wrap vinyls would not warrant your work if applied wet (even a mist)Anyway Stuart has a lot to learn.
Peter
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I agree Peter and as I said I wouldn’t wrap anything wet unless the circumstance demanded it.
Just for the record if you think a fin of a 747 is flat….think again!
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quote matty goodwin:quote Robert Lambie:matty, what if the product/wrap fails, who is to blame then and do you still get paid?
Unfortunately Rob thats the nature of our business. We can go and try to resolve the issue but if its a material failure we don’t have a leg to stand on. The customer is always right! We just explain the situation and advise on materials to start with…not that they listen!
So are saying you do get failures? and how do you blame the material and not the fitting?
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quote matty goodwin:I agree Peter and as I said I wouldn’t wrap anything wet unless the circumstance demanded it.
Just for the record if you think a fin of a 747 is flat….think again!
For all intents and purposes, the world is flat 😉
Peter
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If only…. 😀 😀
Speak soon 😛
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I’m no expert on wrapping, not by any means, but if I have to apply a large area of vinyl onto a relatively flat surface..I’m inclined to do it wet…
…does that make me a bad person 😕
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quote Phill:I’m no expert on wrapping, not by any means, but if I have to apply a large area of vinyl onto a relatively flat surface..I’m inclined to do it wet…
…does that make me a bad person 😕
a very very very bad person.
apparently.
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Phill :funky:
Chris thought you were bored of this thread!
Stuart…Do a course or get aprofessionall in!
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Hi Matty,
Can I ask why you would use misting only on the bonnet in certain cases??
thanks 🙂
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I was serious about the bowl wrap Stuart, give it a go mate… try the bottom even… you will see exactly why and its only cost you a little bit of vinyl.
It doesn’t stick to allow you any sort of stretching/wrapping as such. -
Now you are taking the pi$$
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Hi stuart
I would and please listen, would only ever fit a bonnet wet/misted if the the vinyl was too tacky or it was to hot.
If you read was was posted throughout this thread you will understand and grasp reality.
If all sign companies could wrap, I’d be out of a job. If all wrappers could produce vinyl, sign companies would be out of jobs!
The two gel together but never the twain shall meet…. (chat.)
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Sorry guys,
I didnt mean to be a bit of a wind up but i’ve just seen it done before and was seeking more the why.
I fully understand what you mean robert. If you stretch around the bowl a wet piece of vinyl it wont stick as its wet which means it has to be done dry!!
thanks all!! 🙂
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Hallelujah :dance4:
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