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  • liquid laminate on contour cut graphics before or after??

    Posted by Phillip Jhonson on 16 March 2010 at 10:26

    I have sold my laminator a few weeks back (space issue) and have bought a spray gun which i would like to use with liquid laminate. should i spray the liquid laminate on contour cut graphics before or after cutting?? or before or after weeding?? also I would like to take the opportunity to ask if liquid laminate is as protective as film laminate as i have not yet tried it on the wraps.

    Thank you

    Shane Drew replied 15 years, 9 months ago 5 Members · 11 Replies
  • 11 Replies
  • Mike Grant

    Member
    16 March 2010 at 20:13

    If you are contour cutting stickers spray the liquid laminate before weeding. You will have to weed before it is fully dry, this takes a bit of trial and error to get right. Weed too soon and the laminate may string or lift off the graphic. Weed when too dry and the laminate glues up the cut line. Suck it and see. When fully dry place stickers under a light weight to stop the edges curling during the next 48 hours. (yes this is the voice of experience)
    I don’t think I would like to do a vehicle wrap with liquid laminate.

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    16 March 2010 at 21:25

    mike
    is there a reason for not laminating before cutting,
    I have been looking at liquid laminates as an alternative for small runs, rather than having to change the roll in the machine.

    Wraps with liquid lam? maybe for a flat surface, not sure if they are suitable for conforming surfaces and recesses, I spoke to a supplier recently and they said there product was not recomended for wraps.

    Peter

  • Mike Grant

    Member
    16 March 2010 at 22:32

    Pete, a very simple reason, the laminate does not stick to the carrier paper so you end up with a cellophane effect peeling off and sticking to your print.

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    16 March 2010 at 22:56

    Sorry Mike, I would laminate before cutting, can’t see why
    you would laminate after cutting.
    Seams a bit pointless, especially if it’s hit and
    miss as when to weed.
    Am I missing something ?
    Peter

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    16 March 2010 at 23:05

    peter mike is spot on with the method, print – cut -spray – then weed.

    also do not use application tape on sprayed laminates as when you remove the tape you weaken the bond. end result is weather gets in behind.

    its got its uses, wraps is not one of them.

    chris

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    16 March 2010 at 23:20

    Chris, why not print, spray laminate,
    let dry then cut and weed, or is it just quicker the way Mike
    describes with a print and cut machine?
    Peter

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    17 March 2010 at 09:40

    yes pete possibly because of a print and cut machine, but never liked the idea of cutting a sprayed vinyl in the cutter.

    if you have to cut through a bleed might consider it.

    chris

  • Shane Drew

    Member
    17 March 2010 at 11:26

    just to clarify guys, ‘real’ liquid laminate is fine with wrap materials if applied via a machine and dryer at a predestined feed rate… I do it every day…

    krylon, frog juice or similar is not considered a ‘real laminate’ and if sprayed is not suitable for anything but flat surfaces.

    For the record, I’d laminate then cut as Peter suggests tho. you’ll need to leave it a while to dry, and don’t spray it too thick.

  • Mike Grant

    Member
    17 March 2010 at 19:05
    quote Peter Normington:

    Am I missing something ?
    Peter

    In 5 years of owning my Versacamm I have never had to use the cut after laminating feature. In fact I haven’t got a clue how to do it! 🙄
    I just do it the way I am comfortable with.

  • Stuart John Halliday

    Member
    17 March 2010 at 19:25

    Seen this advertised. Has anybody had any experience.

    Wetguard

    http://www.signmaster.co.uk/laminators/wet-guard.htm

  • Shane Drew

    Member
    17 March 2010 at 20:08

    Yes mate, its a re badged Daige liquid laminator I think.

    They are geat in theory, but you quickly run out of room after doing a few prints and leaving them to dry. Dust is an issue too.

    A sign client of mine purchased one and, although it got him out of trouble for a small contract, once that was finished he decided to buy an automated one like mine.

    We were only talking about it the other day, and he said he’d advise against buying one for any number of reasons, but the drying issue was a big one for him. He laminated three 3 metre banners and then had to dry them by laying them flat. Not as simple as it appeared.

    OK for one off jobs though, not forgetting the time to clean up after each use.

    Hope that helps

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