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Magenta not pressing?
Here we go 🙄
Printer is fine and all test prints are perfect but when I try press a photograph on to a mouse mat it seems to leave all the magenta ink on the paper, all other colours transfer well except there is no mag on the mat and the picture left on the paper is very pink.
I’ve increased temp, pressure and time and has improved ever so slightly but only about 10% of the magenta looks transferred 😕
any idea? All other prints (the few I’ve done printed fine, only seems like photographs 👿
cheers
Warren
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26 Replies
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Hi Warren,
I dont know the answer but have you tried printing just magenta to see when happens when this is ironed onto the mat? Or maybe print a box of each colour to see what happens.
Sometimes I have to do 2 or 3 head cleans to get pure colours.
Also, is the magenta the same make as the other colours?. Ie; all Artainium or has it been contaminated?
Just my thoughts. Sorry cant be of more help.
Earl -
Thanks Earl
All inks are the same and new, it prints 100% fine and all printer nozzle checks etc are perfect.
Your idea is good and will press separate colours to see the reaction of each, it just looks as though all the magenta stays on the paper and all the other colours press on to the mat 😕
I’ll try that and see what happens
cheers
Warren
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Hi Warren,
Are the others who bought the same kit as you, Chris, John & Jason having similar problems?
What temp are you doing the mats at? I print mine at 210 degrees Celsius for 30 secs.Steve
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Hi Steve
Thought I would post and see what they said, not sure if Jason has unpacked his yet 🙄 :lol1:
I’m pressing at 190 for 40 secs, have tried a few other options etc and found a longer press helped but only marginally.
cheers
Warren
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YES
but early days
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The paper used can vary the output greatly I’ve found. I use Rotech for fabric but not on ceramics as I find it cockles a bit and this shows on ceramics but not on fabric. The colour transfer is better I find on the Rotech paper.
Steve
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quote :The paper used can vary the output greatly I’ve found
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quote Warren Beard:Hi SteveThought I would post and see what they said, not sure if Jason has unpacked his yet 🙄 :lol1:
I’m pressing at 190 for 40 secs, have tried a few other options etc and found a longer press helped but only marginally.
cheers
Warren
We press for 1 min @ 200, really is trial and error when you first set everything up 😕
As Earl says print out a group of boxes with each colour, cut up a mouse mat and press each piece with your boxes at different times 50,55,60 secs etc. also make sure your using firm pressure when pressing.
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Chris do the finger lick test to find the right side. Side that sticks should be the right side.
Steve
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Alternatively the way up it comes in the box is the right side 😀
Finger lick test is ok on some papers but not all, I use Xpres paper for both ceramic, hard, and soft substrates it has the best resolution of any paper I have used in 3 years, also it is by far the cheapest.I press for 50 seconds at 190 degrees on mousemats.
have no idea why just magenta wont come off the paper, if its sublimation ink then it should all be coming off evenly.
Are you sure its just not using the correct profile and making the magenta too dark or appear like there is more left on the paper, profiles are VERY important in sublimation work.
you can guess it occasionally but never should, its never going to bring the results of a printer with a correct profile no matter how many times you try. -
Hi Warren, I haven’t unpacked my stuff yet, what profile are you using on the Mac?
Jason
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Agree fully with Steve, Xpres just cant be beat in my eyes. I know you can buy cheaper but the quality just isnt there and neither is the support.
I bought one cheap press from a supplier I wont name, used it once and never bothered again.
Im not sure if it will help the magenta issue but you can download the Xpres profile from their website for free.
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right here’s my problem
I still have to try many many things as I know how many variables there can be but this just seems really strange and should not be happening at all.
see how the magenta stays on the paper and is missing from the picture
These are cmyk squares starting from 100%, 75%, 50%, 25%, 10%, see how the black goes green and the magenta is lost after the 100%
any suggestions to help me in the right direction?
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Woe that’s weird, maybe the ink is fecked 😕
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Hi Warren,
I have just seen my subli supplier at a trade fair here in Germany. I asked him about this problem because I too sometimes have this same problem with cyan.
He suggested to try two things. To raise the tanks (bulk ink system)by one centimeter to slightly increase the pressure at the print heads. Not higher or the ink will spill out into the machine.
Or to use a big fat syringe to force some ink through the system and maybe clear a blockage.
Other than that the tube might have a point where it is squeezed together or has a kink in it.
He also suggested that the ink might not be original or compatible with the others in the system.
Maybe there is a solution there for you.
Good luck..
Earl -
the magenta is printing so there is no blockages or anything, it is not pressing on to the products and is being left behind on the paper as you can see in the pictures above.
All ink is original ink from supplier so if there is any problem then it is their fault, I might dump the ink that is in it and put in the spare ink I bought from them, if that still does not work then replace all the ink for a recommended brand.
thanks for your help anyway mate.
cheers
Warren
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quote :All ink is original ink from supplier so if there is any problem then it is their fault, I might dump the ink that is in it and put in the spare ink I bought from them, if that still does not work then replace all the ink for a recommended brand.
yes i thought of that as it may be from a different batch.
chris
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Id speak to the supplier first and tell them that you are going to change ink to see if it solves the problem. Atleast this way you may get replacement magenta for the faulty batch.
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Could the magenta not be turning into a gas because the temp is mot high enough? Just something else to try……
John
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I have tried high and low temps and long and short times (you must see the pile of wasted mouse mats I have now 😮 )
I don’t know what a used sheet of sublimation paper looks like but by the look of mine all the magenta is still on the paper and not on the mouse mat and I don’t think that’s right.
I’m going to try the spare ink I have and will report back then.
cheers
Warren
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warren i thinly painted some of the extra ink on to paper and pressed it still left behind the magenta. but not a very good test really.
chris
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Sounds like it’s got to be duff magenta
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Chris, did you use the ink from the bulk system or from the extra bottles you ordered?
Jason
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from the extra i dont think if was a fair test but the result looked identical.
it did not give me the inspiration to change it all.
chris
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Jason, is your magenta pressing OK?
John’s and mine are not and neither is his spare ink so my spare ink is probably also rubbish.
I’ve got a new CIS system coming this week as I fecked mine up 😳 🙄 and now think I don’t even want to put the spare ink in to it?
wondering if I should just buy some other ink as well 😕
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Warren I noticed on your mousemat that you had quite a bit of banding, is that the photo or the print?
Jason
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