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    Posted by Michael Tremarco on 22 February 2008 at 20:34

    Hello 😀
    I’ve just been advised to ‘experiment’ with the number of passes on my Versacamm to increase the vibrancy of print on a clear vinyl. The problem I have never done more than one pass up to now. I have read my user manual and cannot find how to do more than one pass. Can anyone help please.
    Cheers

    Michael Tremarco replied 17 years, 7 months ago 10 Members · 17 Replies
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  • Lee Ballard

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 20:36

    It’s on option in our rip software (we have a JV3 and use RLP2) does your rip not have the option?

  • Kevin Flowers

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 20:37

    Hi
    what RIP are you using

    Kev

  • Michael Tremarco

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 20:39

    I am using Versaworks

  • Gary Birch

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 21:10

    Michael
    I asked the same question a while ago here is the link which will help you.

    http://www.uksignboards.com/viewtopic.p … highlight=

    Makes printing considerably slower though.

    Cheers

    Gary

  • Michael Tremarco

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 21:13

    Thanks Gary. just what I was looking for. 😀

  • Gary Birch

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 21:17

    No problem. I have only ever had the need to do a 2 pass and never a 3.

    Cheers

    Gary

  • David Rowland

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 21:22

    passes are the build up of the print… when you look at the print you should have a stepped effect. If you are on 1pass, you are likely to suffer from bad prints if a nozzle is out, your prints should be weak.

    The JV3 prints 4 / 8 or 16 passes, the norm for us is 8passes and therefore see 8 sets of building lines while it is printing.

    There is also another feature called ‘overprinting’ this means to over print twice or three times, this can alter the density too.

  • Michael Tremarco

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 21:36

    Does a Versacamm do passes or just the ability to overprint? or can you get software to instruct the printer to do passes?

  • David Rowland

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 21:38

    Think you find you are using passes. Watch when it prints.. how many layers can you see being built up.

  • Jason Xuereb

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 23:24

    Question is adding an extra overprint double the time at the quality setting you are using?

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 23:27

    dave talking about no of passes to print

    mike is talking about overprinting 😮

  • David Rogers

    Member
    22 February 2008 at 23:37

    Your Vesacamm (RIP software) should have the ability to alter the number of PASSES between 4 and 32 in a ‘normal’ 720dpi profile.

    I normally print as a 16pass for most stuff…dropped to 8 for really long banners…up to 32 for short runs of highly detailed small stickers.

    The OVERPRINT is the number of times it lays down TWICE AS MUCH INK as a standard print.

    I always stick to ‘none’ unless doing transparencies when a ‘1’ OVERPRINT is probably a good idea to get a bit more ‘ooomph!’ and saturation out of the back-lit image.

    Typically – double the PASSES…double the time and also double the OVERPRINT…double the time & double the ink.

    Dave

  • Mike Fear

    Member
    23 February 2008 at 08:47

    I use 2x overprinting for certain jobs on my SP300V – I find that for certain shades of orange or blue it gives a much better result on solid blocks of colour if I lighten the image, then overprint x2 ( so you get basically the same shade ) rather than just printing once with the graphic as originally made.

    It does use twice as much ink and take longer, but the difference in quality is worth it for the finished result.

    Quick question David, what is the difference in using more or less passes ? havent tried doing this ?

  • David McDonald

    Member
    23 February 2008 at 10:16

    I’ve never used over printing on my Versa but often adjust the number of passes – use 8 pass for banners, 16 pass for general vinyl and 32 for clear vinyl and wrap that will go over lots of contours / will be stretched. If you look at the print coming off the machine it puts more ink down over a narrower band and steps forward less distance each time with a higher pass count.

    I also use 32 pass if the heads need light cleaning and things are looking a little ropey on 8 pass. On 32 pass it will look fine and I may as well use the extra ink onto the vinyl instead of cleaning and seeing it go into the bottle!

    Cheers
    Macky

  • Michael Tremarco

    Member
    23 February 2008 at 11:17

    Where in the software interface do you set the desired number of passes (using Versworks)?

  • David Rowland

    Member
    23 February 2008 at 11:43

    I use more passes for exhibition or close up work, removes the chance of banding.

    I have found that transparent items normally look nearer their correct colour depth, more solid with out baning lines, if you have deflection on the nozzles, this will cover it up.

    chances are some colours will deepen, maybe better.

    Micheal T, if you don’t know where things are in your RIP software, then perhaps you need some timeout to get familiar with it, you do need to be aware of what each setting does for your printer/RIP or you may end up throwing lots in the bin. My advise is not necessary but recently we printed a flexface banner for a lightbox, we should have done it a bit deeper in ink/colour as its a bit faint.

  • Michael Tremarco

    Member
    23 February 2008 at 12:02

    You’re right Dave. Since I started a few months ago I have been lucky in so much that all I have had to do previously with my other jobs has been basically hit the rip and print buttons.
    Time to print out the Versaworks manual and learn.
    The manual I’ve just printed out is the same one I was given when I got the unit(quick start Guide) and I cannot find any mention on how to set passes. Is there a more comprehensive users manual available? can’t find one at versaworks online.

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